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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Jun 2013

    Curious: Why are NatSec hawks always so much more concerned w/leakers than w/China's ability to get THE SAME STUFF at will?

    4:30 AM - 10 Jun 2013
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      2. James Joyner‏ @DrJJoyner 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        .@emptywheel @seanpaulkelly Short answer is that we can do more about leakers than China.

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @DrJJoyner

        @DrJJoyner Also, if our RIVALS know this, then the only people these secrets are being kept from are ... us. @seanpaulkelly

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. James Joyner‏ @DrJJoyner 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel @seanpaulkelly I'm not comfortable with idiot privates and disgruntled contractors becoming the declassification authority.

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Michael Drew‏ @MikeDrewWhat 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @DrJJoyner

        @DrJJoyner @emptywheel @seanpaulkelly Looking at it now, Ellsberg's release looks flat-out quaint & his prosecution absurd.

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      6. James Joyner‏ @DrJJoyner 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @MikeDrewWhat

        @MikeDrewWhat @emptywheel @seanpaulkelly Yes. The classification of a history report on Vietnam as Top Secret was clearly absurd.

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      7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @DrJJoyner

        @DrJJoyner The classification of the very use of Section 215 to collect all call metadata is likewise absurd. @MikeDrewWhat @seanpaulkelly

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      8. Michael Drew‏ @MikeDrewWhat 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel @DrJJoyner Is the classification of the program absurd? How do you declassify the use of the statute for the program w/o u know?

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      9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @MikeDrewWhat

        @MikeDrewWhat I realize they don't want us to know abt it. BUt not knowing has everything to do w/consent, not efficacy. @DrJJoyner

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      2. Andrew Exum‏ @ExumAM 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel I don't think that's true at all. But leaks are by their very nature public, whereas Chinese cyber-theft is done in secret.

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @ExumAM

        @abumuqawama But is it worse for the citizens who have been lied to, repeatedly, on this, to have the info, then China?

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      2. Will Thomas‏ @caribouwireless 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel National leaders share common concerns; easier to game out what they'll do vs. reax of general public

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @caribouwireless

        @caribouwireless Doesn't that premise (which may be true) entirely undermine both democracy and all the claims abt secrecy?

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      4. Will Thomas‏ @caribouwireless 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel In as much as it separates government and people's interests, yes

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      1. Muskegon Critic‏ @MuskegonCritic 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel Or, say, Menards. A lot of folks are upset because the US got for free what Toys R Us and Home Depot have to pay for.

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      1. Mike‏ @_cypherpunks_ 10 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel ...b/c leakers question their authority and the enemy within is the biggest threat to their career.

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