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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Ben Smith‏Verified account @BuzzFeedBen 7 Jun 2013
      Replying to @speechboy71

      @speechboy71 Hard to see how you need what's described in Prism to monitor the known email of a known terror suspect in Pakistan.

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    2. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 7 Jun 2013
      Replying to @BuzzFeedBen

      @BuzzFeedBen Maybe I'm confused, but I thought Prism was program that allowed them access to communication btw US and overseas addresses?

      2 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    3. Ben Smith‏Verified account @BuzzFeedBen 7 Jun 2013
      Replying to @speechboy71

      @speechboy71 talk to @emptywheel — it is confusing …

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 7 Jun 2013
      Replying to @BuzzFeedBen

      @BuzzFeedBen If you read the Gellman piece it sounds like PRISM was very specific targeting.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Jun 2013
      Replying to @speechboy71

      @speechboy71 Moreover, if this traces back to Rogers, then it was 215, not PRISM. But again, not crucial in finding him. @BuzzFeedBen

      3 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    6. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 7 Jun 2013
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @buzzfeedben Especially since we don't know the specifics of PRIM

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Jun 2013
      Replying to @speechboy71

      @speechboy71 There is nothing, that we know of, that wouldn't have been possible in 1998. This was traditional FISA. @buzzfeedben

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 7 Jun 2013
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @buzzfeedben Ok, but that doesn't mean that PRISM wasn't used in this case.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Jun 2013
      Replying to @speechboy71

      @speechboy71 No. But it does mean PRISM was, at most, a snazzy interface that was unnecessary. @buzzfeedben

      3 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    10. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 7 Jun 2013
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @buzzfeedben . . . a scenario where the program was used in this case.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Jun 2013
      Replying to @speechboy71

      @speechboy71 That, coupled w/crystal clear understanding of how they found Zazi suggests if PRISM was used, it was for its GUI @buzzfeedben

      8:15 PM - 7 Jun 2013
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        2. Marc Ambinder‏Verified account @marcambinder 7 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @speechboy71 @BuzzFeedBen yes. That’s exactly it. It’s a fancy GUI that pulls in and plays with lots of different data types.

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        3. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 7 Jun 2013
          Replying to @marcambinder

          @marcambinder @emptywheel @buzzfeedben So based on those facts is it possible PRISM was used in Zazi case?

          3 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Jun 2013
          Replying to @speechboy71

          @speechboy71 Used? Yes. Necessary or even central? No. @marcambinder @buzzfeedben

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        5. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 7 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @marcambinder @buzzfeedben Ok, I see the distinction you're making. Got it.

          2 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Jun 2013
          Replying to @speechboy71

          @speechboy71 DiFi bragged abt 215 back in 2009. She has never, AFAIK (NYT backs this), bragged abt FAA and Zazi. @marcambinder @buzzfeedben

          1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
        7. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 7 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @marcambinder @buzzfeedben Wouldn't discount possibility she was confused too!

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        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Jun 2013
          Replying to @speechboy71

          @speechboy71 No. Not at all. But when she bragged in 2009, at least it was fresh and active. @marcambinder @buzzfeedben

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Marc Ambinder‏Verified account @marcambinder 7 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @speechboy71 @BuzzFeedBen 215 prolly used to get the phone records. FAA rules let NSA do the analysis.

          3 replies 1 retweet 1 like
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