from non-apologist, because Russia's disgruntled Muslim minorities were not collection target (but bet now they are) @emptywheel
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@lrozen That might explain why he evaded PRISM, but not the 215 collection. That, BY DESIGN, doesn't focus exclusively on known targets. -
yeah but Ts plot smgnly so local & lo-fi, call patterns may not've mattered. (add'l reason prgrm may have 2little sec'ty return
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@lrozen Right. I agree that's probably right. But doesn't that say entire theory of the program is problematic? -
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@lrozen Right. Why didn't they find his hawala, for example?
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@emptywheel is that an indictment of the metadata? -
@adamgoldmanap Probably a suggestion that the pattern recognition isn't finding the actual terrorists.
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@emptywheel Answers here assume#PRISM does blanket data mining. They look at credible plotter tips. Not, eg, Youtube watchers or Muslims. -
@jdstoneburner Aren't YOU assuming that the datamining 215 collection is separate fr PRISM, public reports to contrary notwithstanding?
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@emptywheel Neededthe contents of phone calls. -
@armandodkos Right, but that says metadata is not serving intended purpose. They have said repeatedly that provides the PC to get the calls -
@emptywheel Oh I know, was snarking abt the NEXT amendment to Section 215.
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@emptywheel: Can one of apologists for this surveillance explain why it didn't find Tsarvaevs,w/their lives exposed on social mediaThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@emptywheel If PRISM + phone metadata works, then how did they let the leaks happen? How is leaker(s) not already in custody?Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@emptywheel I'm sure the US Government is far more interested in tracking Union Organizing, Leakers, and Occupy Protesters than Terrorists.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@emptywheel@AnonPressOffice It's simple. Our government is fucking retarded.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@emptywheel obviously apologists will assume there just isn't ENOUGH surveillance.#sadThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@emptywheel They were busy focusing on the Tea Party :|Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@emptywheel They just want every Americans phone records in case you happen to maybe someday become a terrorist-guilty until proven innocentThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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