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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 30 Jan 2013

      DOD's transcript of improperly censored portion of Monday's 9/11 tribunal hearing, starting bottom of p 25 of the PDF http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/563282-ksm-ii-trans28january2013-pm1.html …

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Jan 2013
      Replying to @charlie_savage

      @charlie_savage @carolrosenberg From this transcript is it safe to say CIA held--and won--that any mention of black sites is secret?

      8:05 AM - 30 Jan 2013
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        1. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 30 Jan 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @carolrosenberg No, as he didn't mention black sites, as Pohl noted. Speculation about this has far outstripped real info.

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        2. Carol Rosenberg‏Verified account @carolrosenberg 30 Jan 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @charlie_savage Meaning hidden-hand censor thought "preservation of evidence of a detention facility" was classified phrase?

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        3. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 30 Jan 2013
          Replying to @carolrosenberg

          @carolrosenberg @emptywheel Clearly censor got jumpy & made mistake. We know censor has OCA status, but to conclude CIA is speculation part

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        4. Jameel Jaffer‏Verified account @JameelJaffer 30 Jan 2013
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          @charlie_savage @carolrosenberg @emptywheel Is it possible there's someone outside CIA/DNI who has OCA on black sites info? I think not.

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        5. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 30 Jan 2013
          Replying to @JameelJaffer

          @JameelJaffer @carolrosenberg @emptywheel I speculate (!) all relevant agencies delegated OCA authority to 1 censoring entity for tribunal

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        6. Jameel Jaffer‏Verified account @JameelJaffer 30 Jan 2013
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          @charlie_savage @carolrosenberg @emptywheel I speculate that CIA would not have delegated to anyone outside CIA/DNI.

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        7. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 30 Jan 2013
          Replying to @JameelJaffer

          @JameelJaffer @carolrosenberg @emptywheel So multiple OCA officials crowding around 1 or more censor buttons? Maybe... http://goo.gl/EW4Qy 

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        2. Carol Rosenberg‏Verified account @carolrosenberg 30 Jan 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @charlie_savage True, transcript has "preservation of evidence of a detention facility," could be paraphrase of "caption."

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        3. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 30 Jan 2013
          Replying to @carolrosenberg

          @carolrosenberg @emptywheel Right. Pohl didn't say Nevin read caption but only that he said something "on the caption," This is consistent.

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        2. Daphne Eviatar‏ @deviatar 30 Jan 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @charlie_savage @carolrosenberg My understanding is that the word "secret" triggered the censor to press the button.

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        3. Carol Rosenberg‏Verified account @carolrosenberg 30 Jan 2013
          Replying to @deviatar

          @deviatar @emptywheel @charlie_savage The explanation is the trigger is 40 seconds into transcript. White noise wraps around the offense.

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        1. Carol Rosenberg‏Verified account @carolrosenberg 30 Jan 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @charlie_savage Perplexing part is "restored" bit doesn't mention motion title that judge, lawyers said triggered the censor.

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