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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2012
      Replying to @benjaminwittes

      @benjaminwittes We know of numerous instances where US has decided obvious Civilians are acceptable--Mehsud's wife=best example

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    2. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 30 Oct 2012
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      @emptywheel Yes, absolutely. Good point. There are definitely cases where we have made judgment that some civ cas are acceptable.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2012
      Replying to @benjaminwittes

      @benjaminwittes Therefore we should not assume military is always seeing just armed men w/HVTs. Or that HVTs at bases, rather than jirgas.

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    4. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 30 Oct 2012
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel That was an example of a situation where count can be hard. it was not meant to be the only example.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2012
      Replying to @benjaminwittes

      @benjaminwittes Fair enuff. But once you accept lots of strikes involve CIVCAS deemed acceptable, you get into @BartHKreps @deviatar point.

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    6. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 30 Oct 2012
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel Agreed. But @deviatar is making more radical point: that must assume body is civilian in absence of very strong proof otherwise.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2012
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      @benjaminwittes But your "proof" is not proof. It's associative, when we know US has tolerance for CIVCAS. Like farmer killed in Quso strike

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    8. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 30 Oct 2012
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      @emptywheel I'm not talking about proof. I'm talking about presumptions in the absence of proof.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2012
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      @benjaminwittes But your presumption are not supported by evidence from known strikes. You're presuming stuff USG refuses to share.

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    10. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 30 Oct 2012
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      @emptywheel No, not at all. I simply drew a hypothetical in which different ex ante presumptions would lead to very different counts.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2012
      Replying to @benjaminwittes

      @benjaminwittes What is your basis for that claim? USG has NOT said that publicly, & its public statements are provably false on other pts.

      10:56 AM - 30 Oct 2012
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        2. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 30 Oct 2012
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Now I think we are talking past one another. US Gov has ALWAYS said it does not target civilians who are not DPH.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2012
          Replying to @benjaminwittes

          @benjaminwittes And USG has provably lied in its public statements abt drone targeting. Why do you treat them as credible?

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