@AdamSerwer Yes he did. You're calling ACA liberal. That's crazy. But it looks liberal bc it's been so long since we talked real liberal.
@AdamSerwer I'm NOT arguing Clinton was liberal. I'm arguing that you can ONLY claim O is if you ignore how right we've become.
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@emptywheel well my point was that Obama policy wins > Clintons. I guess we agree on that? -
@AdamSerwer Bracketing off finance and civil liberties/rule of law? I'd probably agree with that. But that has nothing to do w/liberalism. -
@emptywheel comparing Obama to Clinton without bracketing off those things and Obama still comes out better. Who started rendition? -
@AdamSerwer Which is why I objected with the way you initiated this discussion, about "liberal" policies--neither is liberal. -
@emptywheel excluding black people from social security wasn't particularly liberal either but I'm glad social security exists -
@AdamSerwer But GIVING social security is different than GIVING terrible private companies captive customers. -
@emptywheel and yet like SS, there are obvious things liberals can do to alleviate its worst aspects. Couldn't if it didn't exist. -
@AdamSerwer And regardless, that doesn't make it a LIBERAL policy. My gripe is in your assertion it is. It's not. - 6 more replies
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