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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. onekade‏ @onekade 24 Aug 2012

      The drug war and the war on terror show us there isn't really such a thing as a border anymore, or at least one the US empire respects.

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 24 Aug 2012
      Replying to @onekade

      @kade_ellis Bollocks. Think of all the contractors getting rich deporting brown people back over the border.

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    3. onekade‏ @onekade 24 Aug 2012
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel sure. but think of all the ways it doesn't respect the border. money, arms, drugs, law

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 24 Aug 2012
      Replying to @onekade

      @kade_ellis Sure. That's power asymmetry, though, it is not unique to the border.

      8:59 AM - 24 Aug 2012
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        2. onekade‏ @onekade 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel No but stuff like the NDAA literally brings the war home, in a way anti-Vietnam war hippies couldn't have imagined.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @onekade

          @kade_ellis Not true! They were explicitly called terrorists. This just prepares the legal ground to return to where we were.

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        4. onekade‏ @onekade 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel I didn't know there was a law that allowed the state to imprison them without charge or trial, indefinitely.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @onekade

          @kade_ellis Tell that to Fred Hampton. He got the Awlaki treatment.

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        6. onekade‏ @onekade 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel amen. but where's the legal memo that authorized his execution?

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        2. onekade‏ @onekade 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel I'm pointing out the problem the US has in terms of asserting sovereignty these days.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @onekade

          @kade_ellis Well, they're HAPPY to assert it when it applies to some topics. They just do it in a way that upends the concept.

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        4. onekade‏ @onekade 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel That's precisely my point. It doesn't really exist. The border is dead. Long live the border. ;)

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        2. onekade‏ @onekade 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Can't say it doesn't exist for x, y, z, w, a, b, d, but it is so important for f. f being "defending the borders from illegals"

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @onekade

          @kade_ellis Who's going to stop them?

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        4. onekade‏ @onekade 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel No one! I'm just pointing out that it's full of contradictions, and that sovereignty means something today it didn't mean in '50

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @onekade

          @kade_ellis Yup. But it all arises from that "no one" answer. Cause if you believe you're all powerful, then borders are inconvenient.

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        6. onekade‏ @onekade 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Exactly! Inconvenient, except for when you want to fill up detention centers or justify new biometrics programs for all!

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 24 Aug 2012
          Replying to @onekade

          @kade_ellis Don't forget they're also a wonderful opportunity to use "border exception" to root around peoples' computers. Very useful!

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        8. onekade‏ @onekade 24 Aug 2012
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          @emptywheel ah yes. How could I forget.

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