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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Jed Shugerman Vote 11/6‏ @jedshug Sep 15

      4/ I just have a phone on me, and this is an interesting question that probably isn’t going to play out (b/c of Manafort’s state crim liability). Thoughts? @Mimirocah1 @danielsgoldman @Delavegalaw @CBHessick @nycsouthpaw @AshaRangappa_ @BarbMcQuade @JoyceWhiteVance @emptywheel

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    2. Mimi Rocah‏Verified account @Mimirocah1 Sep 15
      Replying to @jedshug @danielsgoldman and

      Agree with what you’ve said. If I understand your remaining question - can’t get immunity for lying to the court.

      1 reply 12 retweets 110 likes
    3. Jed Shugerman Vote 11/6‏ @jedshug Sep 15
      Replying to @Mimirocah1 @danielsgoldman and

      But that still leaves open a question: he claims his court testimony is true. Would an immunity deal immunize him for obstruction based on contradicting his proffer?

      7 replies 12 retweets 65 likes
    4. Randall Eliason‏ @RDEliason Sep 15
      Replying to @jedshug @Mimirocah1 and

      Immunity grants don’t protect you from perjury or obstruction charges if you lie while giving immunized testimony. But as @EricColumbus points out, what would stop Trump from then pardoning Manafort for perjury or obstruction?

      5 replies 4 retweets 33 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 15
      Replying to @RDEliason @jedshug and

      As I argue here, I think you first have to figure out what Manafort took such a hellacious plea deal. https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/14/the-objection-that-made-muellers-case/ … I strongly suspect part of that it he came to believe what comes next won't be pardonable.

      2 replies 9 retweets 50 likes
    6. Randall Eliason‏ @RDEliason Sep 15
      Replying to @emptywheel @jedshug and

      It’s actually a good deal for him, not hellacious at all. See my other reply.

      1 reply 1 retweet 14 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 15
      Replying to @RDEliason @jedshug and

      I saw it. You're saying 2 years and zero money is better than 2 years and $16M. That ... doesn't seem like a good deal to me.

      3 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
    8. Randall Eliason‏ @RDEliason Sep 15
      Replying to @emptywheel @jedshug and

      Where do you get two years? Look at the plea agreement. Minimum was 17 1/2 years in the DC case alone.

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 15
      Replying to @RDEliason @jedshug and

      Let's see. When do presidents pardon people? At the end of their Admin (though Trump has admittedly been less disciplined than most). For Trump that will either be in January 2019 or January 2023.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Andy Sinton‏ @tudsy Sep 15
      Replying to @emptywheel @RDEliason and

      It'd indeed be great if his Admin ended in January 2019, but I believe you mean January 2021 or 2025.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 15
      Replying to @tudsy @RDEliason and

      I've been failing math all week. Thank you, you are correct.

      2:41 PM - 15 Sep 2018
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