People keep asking about Manafort pardons. Set aside the state crim problem. Starting last Monday, Manafort spoke to Mueller’s team to get a deal. A pardon cannot unring that bell. He can be called as a witness with *immunity* to tell the truth (Pardon doesn’t create immunity)...
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2/ Mueller will get Manafort to a grand jury soon, but Manafort has already proffered key information to get a deal. Note: SDNY hasn’t made a deal with Cohen probably because he hasn’t given them enough reliable info. That suggests Manafort gave up more significant info already.
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3/ If Manafort is pardoned, then given immunity, but contradicts last week’s proffered info to Mueller at a trial, he risks obstruction for lying to prosecutors or perjury for lying in court. Would immunity have to extend to perjury/obstruction? And if not, could he plead 5th?
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4/ I just have a phone on me, and this is an interesting question that probably isn’t going to play out (b/c of Manafort’s state crim liability). Thoughts?
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Replying to @jedshug @danielsgoldman and
Agree with what you’ve said. If I understand your remaining question - can’t get immunity for lying to the court.
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But that still leaves open a question: he claims his court testimony is true. Would an immunity deal immunize him for obstruction based on contradicting his proffer?
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Replying to @jedshug @Mimirocah1 and
If Trump is crazy enough to pardon Manafort now, he’s crazy enough to pardon him again for perjury/obstruction. Or he could refuse to testify and at worst do 18 months for civil contempt. Right?
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If these charges are "set aside" (assume pardon counts) then what Manafort has already admitted to in the case in chief, which is what GOT him to flip in the first place, will be used against him.
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Replying to @emptywheel @jedshug and
Well, we don’t know what further crimes Manafort has admitted to, but again, a Trump who is reckless enough to pardon Manafort once could well do so again.
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