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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 15

    I'm going to have to write an entire post about how Manafort probably picked Pence bc he's actually very smart abt GOP politics and knew Trump needed to be balanced w/a Koch-backed fundie, aren't I?

    10:57 AM - 15 Sep 2018
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    81 replies 102 retweets 781 likes
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      2. Andrew C. White‏ @AndrewCWhite Sep 15
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I would prefer you write a post describing how there is clear evidence that Pence knew about everything going on and participated in the cover-up. The other part seems pretty obvious to me.

        1 reply 2 retweets 28 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 15
        Replying to @AndrewCWhite

        I'm not aware of any evidence he did.

        8 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
      4. Andrew C. White‏ @AndrewCWhite Sep 15
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Me neither sadly. But that is what I really want to be able to read from you.

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      5. End of conversation
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      2. Eileen Zucker Noga, Ph.D.‏ @Stellablue9 Sep 15
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I think I am saddened that in the end Manafort flipped because he really couldn’t trust that Trump would pardon him. Trump demands loyalty from everyone and in return he uses them. No one trusts Trump. Waiting to hear that immunity has been granted to Melania!

        3 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 15
        Replying to @Stellablue9

        I suspect there was more to it than that. https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/14/the-objection-that-made-muellers-case/ …

        3 replies 4 retweets 21 likes
      4. orange fool‏ @imacdowell Sep 15
        Replying to @emptywheel @Stellablue9

        Yeah, slumping base support and the fact that pardons are becoming a redline for a significant portion of his base killed his chances of a pardon

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      5. Eileen Zucker Noga, Ph.D.‏ @Stellablue9 Sep 15
        Replying to @imacdowell @emptywheel

        Agreed. That is what the Manafort juror said. Finally a red line for Trump supporters. Just didn’t figure it would be a pardon for Manafort.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. orange fool‏ @imacdowell Sep 16
        Replying to @Stellablue9 @emptywheel

        A significant # are peeling off. But well see

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. End of conversation
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      2. Jed Shugerman Vote 11/6‏ @jedshug Sep 16
        Replying to @emptywheel

        You shouldn’t have to, but yes, people are obsessed with this conspiracy theory. In order to win, Trump needed an evangelical willing to run. Pence was an evangelical who had no other options. A marriage made in hell.

        3 replies 13 retweets 60 likes
      3. Robert Mueller says #VoteHard‏ @GhostfaceKHZ Sep 16
        Replying to @jedshug @emptywheel

        Gotta weigh in. Pence was head of transition team (Flynn, Papa, Manafort, Clovis etc) who had clandestine meetings w Russians throughout transition. For VP to be clean, you must argue that his team was infiltrated at every level & he had no idea. Not a good look for future POTUS.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. Robert Mueller says #VoteHard‏ @GhostfaceKHZ Sep 16
        Replying to @GhostfaceKHZ @jedshug @emptywheel

        And if we're hedging by only saying that we're talking about dead-to-rights provable crimes against Pence then, considering this Rico-style roundup, it's hard to see how VP gets out. Current reasonable doubt is definitely not in VP's favor.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Robert Mueller says #VoteHard‏ @GhostfaceKHZ Sep 16
        Replying to @GhostfaceKHZ @jedshug @emptywheel

        My prediction: VP is on the hook for something, possibly minor relative to others, and may cut a deal to resign in exchange for no charges. Mueller doesn't seem tolerant of even minor crimes. Cummings letter, sent via multiple modes of comm means VP lost plausible deniability.

        2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
      6. Nasty Patti‏ @LiesKillTheSoul Sep 16
        Replying to @GhostfaceKHZ @jedshug @emptywheel

        Found it!

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Robert Mueller says #VoteHard‏ @GhostfaceKHZ Sep 16
        Replying to @LiesKillTheSoul @jedshug @emptywheel

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/elijah-cummings-letter-to-mike-pence-about-flynn--turkeylobbying-2017-3 …

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Jon Daniel‏ @bigjondaniel Sep 15
        Replying to @emptywheel

        My new prediction: Manafort rolls over on #NotTeflonDon AND Pence. Bobby M indicts Pence.

        2 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
      3. highacidity‏ @highacidity Sep 15
        Replying to @bigjondaniel @emptywheel

        THAT is what I want to see

        0 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Kathleen McKinley‏ @KatMcKinley Sep 15
        Replying to @emptywheel

        The Koch brothers are completely libertarian, not religious, and back liberal issues like legalization of pot, prison, criminal and sentencing reform.

        5 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. michael‏ @ItsMichae1 Sep 15
        Replying to @KatMcKinley @emptywheel

        Okay, yeah, but I think this is the point.pic.twitter.com/CLVcq1plP1

        2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
      4. Bob Lynch‏ @LynchpinL Sep 15
        Replying to @ItsMichae1 @KatMcKinley @emptywheel

        Yup. Pence sits at the perfect confluence of the Koch’s and evangelicals, two crucial elements of GOP politics and a flank that Trump did not have shored up until Manafort brought pence on board. Now they represent his base. Smart pick. Especially since pence is so dumb

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Stephan Lorentz‏ @Steplor Sep 15
        Replying to @LynchpinL @ItsMichae1 and

        I've been pondering the Pence thing since it came up yesterday in Marcy's TL, and this explanation seems most plausible to me. All in one tweet too; well done! {Being a not-too-bright guy who is likely easily controllable seems particularly important imo.}

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Bob Lynch‏ @LynchpinL Sep 15
        Replying to @Steplor @ItsMichae1 and

        Yes and you also have to remember that his political career was completely over after his disastrous time as governor of Indiana. It was the perfect pick. He is also an incredibly effective fundraiser for the Kochs.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. End of conversation

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