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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14

      Here's something I'd love to see a defense attorney to a Lawsplainer about: How powerful (and shitty) conspiracy charges are in federal law. @Popehat I've written a ton about ConFraudUs, and Lawfare did a good post. https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/02/17/the-conspiracy-to-defraud-the-united-states-backbone-of-the-internet-research-agency-and-manafort-indictments/ …https://www.lawfareblog.com/about-russia-indictment-robert-muellers-legal-theory-and-where-it-takes-him-next …

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14

      But folks watching need to understand how powerful conspiracy is. Cause even Rudy G seems to be missing that.

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        2. Stanley Cohen‏ @StanleyCohenLaw Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @Popehat

          3/statements in furtherance of the conspiracy are an execption to the hearsay rule once prima facie conspiracy is established and the participation of declarant. Confrontation the only limit & statements by unindicted coconspirator i.e. the president are admissible as 2 others.

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        3. Andy Ratto  🔥‏ @andyratto Sep 14
          Replying to @StanleyCohenLaw @emptywheel @Popehat

          Can you all maybe stop tipping off the Trump legal team to all of this? They seem to not have figured it out.

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        4. Stanley Cohen‏ @StanleyCohenLaw Sep 14
          Replying to @andyratto @emptywheel @Popehat

          Too late. He has no legal team. Just a failed PR guru and a guy who's practice is to prove creationism

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        5. FactStillMatter‏ @GoldenGirlsRu Sep 15
          Replying to @StanleyCohenLaw @andyratto @emptywheel

          pic.twitter.com/w0JrmOXW09

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        2. Stanley Cohen‏ @StanleyCohenLaw Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @Popehat

          It's power lies in ease by which it can be accomplished. Coconspirators need not even know or be involved with other coconspirators. Can have 1 person conspiracy with others- agents. Impossibility not a defense. Overt acts can be lawful to accomplish illegal end or illegal to 1/

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        1. Stanley Cohen‏ @StanleyCohenLaw Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @Popehat

          accomplish legal end. Conspiracy can continue after arrest and incude such overt acts as attempt to coverup, pay bail or provide lawyers. Finally responsible for all forseeable ends no matter how much or little your role. Real nightmare is evidentiary where coconspirator/2

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        1. Dan McLaughlin‏ @djmlaw1 Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @Popehat

          Ask any drug policy activist. Charge everyone with conspiracy. Kingpins walk because of their $$, lawyers. Next level goes to jail because level below flipped, flippers free or light sentence, street corner kids go to jail because they have no info to trade or money for attorneys

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        1. ModSquad 😎Melanie‏ @Lonestarmomcom Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @Popehat

          Nixon lawyers like Rudy went to jail themselves, right?

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        1. LMlove 🌬 🌊‏ @LMLoveExists Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @Popehat

          Rudy G sounds like a crazy Rapper from NY

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        2. Robᵉʳᵗ Graham X🅂 Max‏ @ErrataRob Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @Popehat

          For cybersecurity/hacking, "conspiracy" seems open to abuse for them to get you because they don't like you, not because you've done anything wrong.

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        3. Robᵉʳᵗ Graham X🅂 Max‏ @ErrataRob Sep 14
          Replying to @ErrataRob @emptywheel @Popehat

          On the other hand, they also appear to have used "conspiracy" to get bad guys that really are bad, despite not being being able to prove some other crime.

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        4. Robᵉʳᵗ Graham X🅂 Max‏ @ErrataRob Sep 14
          Replying to @ErrataRob @emptywheel @Popehat

          They are working to add cyber for RICO, which makes me even more worried.

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        1. Kany Levine‏ @kanylaw1 Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @Popehat

          Bingo

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        1. Gypsee‏ @Oldgma3 Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @Popehat

          Rudy G understands fully how powerful conspiracy is; that is why he uses it.

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