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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14

    Reup: Checkmate: The Manafort Cooperation Is Pardon Proof https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/14/the-manafort-plea-is-pardon-proof/ …

    9:14 AM - 14 Sep 2018
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      1. BlueVotr‏ @BlueVotr Sep 14
        Replying to @emptywheel

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      2. ΪǾ1➁⓿º‏ @1oi20o Sep 14
        Replying to @emptywheel

        If Mueller doesn’t start his own beer brand after all this is over, it’ll be a missed opportunity for American greatness.

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      1. Rochambeau  🌊‏ @Rochambeau_1781 Sep 14
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I ❤️ Fridays. #MuellerTimepic.twitter.com/CiFlJ23BRW

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      1.  🍁 I Am I  🍁‏ @NM_Che56 Sep 14
        Replying to @emptywheel @NoahShachtman

        If it's what you say, then I LOVE IT!pic.twitter.com/zsACSy3b26

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      2. Leftward Bound‏ @leftwardbound Sep 14
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Can you explain something I don't understand vis a vis your point 3? Can a federal cooperation agreement include some reduction/dismissal on potential state charges?

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      3. Beverly Johnson‏ @beverly17103 Sep 14
        Replying to @leftwardbound @emptywheel

        I believe it means- even if pardoned (federally) a state can file charges in their own courts which would carry a similar penalty. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      4. Leftward Bound‏ @leftwardbound Sep 14
        Replying to @beverly17103 @emptywheel

        Right. I was just wondering why Manafort would cooperate instead of just take a pardon unless the cooperation agreement incl some sort of reduction/dismissal of potential state charges.

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      5. Jim Huberty‏ @galenajim1 Sep 14
        Replying to @leftwardbound @beverly17103 @emptywheel

        Pretty sure in our federal system Mueller would not have authority to reduce or dismiss state charges.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Leftward Bound‏ @leftwardbound Sep 14
        Replying to @galenajim1 @beverly17103 @emptywheel

        That’s what I mean. So what incentive does Manafort have to cooperate if he thinks he’s getting a pardon? Did something change? If so, what? Why now?

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      7. Jim Huberty‏ @galenajim1 Sep 14
        Replying to @leftwardbound @beverly17103 @emptywheel

        Perhaps a bit of "bird in hand" here. A pardon isn't a sure thing ... politically difficult for Trump, and state can still go after (though I wager any state crimes he might have committed are less serious than federal). I suppose a tacit agmt between feds/state possible.

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      8. Leftward Bound‏ @leftwardbound Sep 14
        Replying to @galenajim1 @beverly17103 @emptywheel

        I mean Trump has shown he cares little for political blowback. He pardoned Scooter Libbey & Arpaio apparently on a whim. Your latter point is what I—a non lawyer—want more explanation on. If it’s possible, why would a state AG agree to assist the feds? Does this happen often?

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      9. Jim Huberty‏ @galenajim1 Sep 14
        Replying to @leftwardbound @beverly17103 @emptywheel

        We're in uncharted territory here. As I general matter, it happens, but hard to say how frequent. I wouldn't say "assist" ... I would say agree not to pursue state charges if a federal guilty plea with cooperation. And I think Manafort a different animal than Libby/Arpaio.

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      2. Will Harris‏ @parityzero Sep 14
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Has to read this several times until I worked out it means "immune to a pardon" rather than "evidence(proof) of a pardon". I was very confused.

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      2. 𝖣𝖺𝗇 𝖢𝗂𝗋𝗎𝗅𝗂‏ @DanCiruli Sep 14
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Would love to get your thoughts on NPR's report that he is *not* cooperating on matters related to the campaign.

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      1. Sean Park‏ @SPParkAtty Sep 14
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      1. Leslie  🎃. Brown‏ @LeslieLKB Sep 14
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Leslie  🎃. Brown Retweeted Melissa McEwan

        Thoughts?https://twitter.com/Shakestweetz/status/1040634957260107776?s=19 …

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        Melissa McEwanVerified account @Shakestweetz
        Replying to @sarahkendzior
        I also just had this chilling thought: Maybe it isn't the current president who has promised Manafort a pardon. Maybe it's the man who believes he is the future president — the current vice-president who was hand-picked by Paul Manafort. http://www.shakesville.com/2018/09/manafort-deal-includes-cooperation.html …
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      1. Immune to Boredom‏ @immunetoboredom Sep 14
        Replying to @emptywheel

        This is very good news for John McCain.

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