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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14

      emptywheel Retweeted Del Quentin Wilber

      This was obvious from the way this went down. Mueller got him to do ... something with that 1.5 hour delay this morning. So it's too late for Trump to avoid that testimony w/a pardon.https://twitter.com/DelWilber/status/1040622275735822337 …

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      Del Quentin WilberVerified account @DelWilber
      !!! Prosecutor says that Manafort is cooperating with special counsel investigation !!!
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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14

      Honestly, there is not a way in hell that no reporting team confirmed he was not cooperating. So you knew he was cooperating by the failure of anyone to get clarity on that. Mueller has basically delayed that news until after Manafort already gave them key evidence.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14

      One other thing that has gotten too little attention. Manafort learned what Gates already testified to in prep for the EDVA trial. So he knows that Gates had already gotten Mueller 90% of the way to the Russian conspiracy charge.

      8 replies 142 retweets 522 likes
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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14

      Reasons why this is pardon proof: 1) Mueller already got the key pieces of testimony a pardon would thwart. 2) Manafort is subject to civil forfeiture; he loses $46M even w/pardon. 3) The dropped charges can be filed in states. A pardon, at this point, does nothing. Nothing.

      8:31 AM - 14 Sep 2018
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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14

          From January: Trump Has Told Friends and Aides that Paul Manafort Can Incriminate Him https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/01/30/trump-has-told-friends-and-aides-that-paul-manafort-can-incriminate-him/ …

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14

          So Mueller's day (so far): 1) He just paid for the investigation. 2) He got the witness that EVEN TRUMP has said has the goods on him. It's not even lunch time yet.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14

          Remember, too, that in the wake of the Gates plea, Mueller got warrants for the phones of probably around 10 Trump aides. Manafort will probably get him to more.

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        2. Kenneth Bernstein‏ @teacherken Sep 16
          Replying to @emptywheel @TexDem_Dkos

          disagree - two things a pardon does: 1) gives evidence to Mueller of an attempt to obstruct justice; 2) provides impetus to move Republicans towards protecting Mueller and considering impeachment

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 16
          Replying to @teacherken @TexDem_Dkos

          Ken I’m about to institute a policy of blocking people who still repeat the obstruction meme.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        4. Kenneth Bernstein‏ @teacherken Sep 16
          Replying to @emptywheel @TexDem_Dkos

          Marcy, are u saying I am repeating an obstruction meme? I am simply observing that there could be impacts of a pardon beyond Mueller's legal case, at least as I heard it including from some Dem electeds who speculated that Manafort was about to flip before Friday

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 16
          Replying to @teacherken @TexDem_Dkos

          Anyone who suggests Mueller is pursuing obstruction as the primary issue against Trump at this point is doing Rudy's PR work for him.

          1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
        6. Kenneth Bernstein‏ @teacherken Sep 16
          Replying to @emptywheel @TexDem_Dkos

          Didn't say it was primary concern, but wld also b wrong 2 argue it isn't part of what he is exploring. A pardon of Manafort now would go to state of mind as part of a pattern, & my response to you was also about political implication. Agreed that pardon doesn't help Manafort now

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 16
          Replying to @teacherken @TexDem_Dkos

          Mueller is so far beyond the place where he's "exploring" obstruction. Does he have Trump dead to rights on it? Yup. And while a dangled pardon might be more compelling than Comey, he's already go plenty of evidence. But at this point obstruction charges are just tactical.

          2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
        8. Kenneth Bernstein‏ @teacherken Sep 16
          Replying to @emptywheel @TexDem_Dkos

          I don't disagree. But apropos a pardon, partially quoting Seth Waxman: "if the president were to pardon Manafort under these circumstances, the case against the president for obstruction of justice would be even more compelling"

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        2. TerriLynn 🇺🇸 💙‏ @Loalasushi Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Wouldn’t trump still benefit: he could use it for political spin, it would push the Manafort issue beyond the midterms, Mueller may know what Manafort has to offer but it’s not useful unless it’s said in court; the cooperation agreement w/Mueller would be useless.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14
          Replying to @Loalasushi

          There is zero way he does that, as it'll just hasten impeachment.

          3 replies 0 retweets 24 likes
        4. TerriLynn 🇺🇸 💙‏ @Loalasushi Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Boy oh boy am I hoping you are spot on. I’m counting on it.

          0 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
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        2. Josh Gerstein‏Verified account @joshgerstein Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Can you explain how a false statement to DOJ would be prosecuted in state court?

          4 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 14
          Replying to @joshgerstein

          I'm talking money laundering. Point being that there's plenty to send him to prison with in the dropped/dismissed.

          3 replies 3 retweets 48 likes
        4. TerriLynn 🇺🇸 💙‏ @Loalasushi Sep 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          If the dropped or dismissed charges are part of the plea deal, wouldn’t a pardon cover those as well?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Tracy Gamble  🌊 🗳‏ @TracyGambleCats Sep 14
          Replying to @Loalasushi @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          Not state charges

          1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
        6. TerriLynn 🇺🇸 💙‏ @Loalasushi Sep 14
          Replying to @TracyGambleCats @emptywheel @joshgerstein

          State charges would be pushed past the midterms. No way to crank them up and get a conviction that quickly.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Pandit‏ @PandaSophist Sep 14
          Replying to @Loalasushi @TracyGambleCats and

          ...so?

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        8. FedUpAmerican‏ @CantLetItbe Sep 14
          Replying to @PandaSophist @Loalasushi and

          Past midterms, Trump will be impeached.

          0 replies 1 retweet 1 like
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