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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13

    While we're waiting for details, these two posts explain what I THINK happened with forfeiture. Manafort dodged $16M forfeiture in EDVA bc of the holdout juror. But he faces both criminal and civil forfeiture of $30M in DC case. https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/12/the-30-million-leverage-over-paul-manaforts-possible-cooperation/ … https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/13/the-edva-holdout-juror-has-thus-far-saved-paul-manafort-16-million/ …

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      2. Will Henline‏ @WillHenline Sep 13
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Surely keeping the $16 mil gives him enough reason to hold out on flipping, no?

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
        Replying to @WillHenline

        No. Bc Mueller can retry and w/almost any other judge get that $16M, plus get $30M in DC case.

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      4. Will Henline‏ @WillHenline Sep 13
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Sure, but one would think he wouldn’t do anything until he knew if OSC will retry or not?

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
        Replying to @WillHenline

        That's part of the deal, surely. They held off on the decision to retry in that case, on both sides, to try to make a deal.

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      6. Will Henline‏ @WillHenline Sep 13
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Ahhh. Gotcha.

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      2. Brad Casali‏ @btc2008 Sep 13
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Do you think Trump and Giuliani will weaponize this plea agreement by trying to tie it to Mueller, and say Mueller tried to influence primaries?

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
        Replying to @btc2008

        Gonna be hard to do: the alternative is a far showier trial.

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      4. Brad Casali‏ @btc2008 Sep 13
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Oh for sure, but I guess I'm just trying to predict how Giuliani will frame this when Trump pardons Manafort. Assuming 'witch hunt' is going to be deployed regardless of how tenuous that is.

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      1. Themistocles' Wall‏ @themistocles_w Sep 13
        Replying to @emptywheel

        How much RE does @PaulManafort own in NY state that’s at risk? Also CA, VA & FL? Doubt #Bondi would bring any cases in FL VA a maybe But every once and future attorney general in CA and/or NY would be thrilled to have @paulmanafort‘s pelt on their wall

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      1. Dick Inadres‏ @guna_bedxe Sep 13
        Replying to @emptywheel

        None of the people will see much, if any, jail time. Some will lose some money. Millionaire tears. They all will continue on with impunity.

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      1. tosheaKavaNOPE‏ @toshea66 Sep 13
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        Mueller still might retry, and I hope he does!

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