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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Sep 13
      Replying to @emptywheel @AndyMcCanse @joshchafetz

      It's not about bribery of a pol "to be named later". And as for whether it's also extortion as to Collins, that's a diff Q.

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
      Replying to @KDbyProxy @AndyMcCanse @joshchafetz

      Sure it is. Running a campaign against someone bc they have failed to keep their campaign promise not only isn't bribery, there's a very long history of it on both sides, usually not crowd-funded.

      2 replies 2 retweets 8 likes
    3. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Sep 13
      Replying to @emptywheel @AndyMcCanse @joshchafetz

      Charles Koch calls a D senator running for reelection this Nov. "Senator, I was planning on having a fundraiser next month to raise $1M for your opponent. But if you vote YES on Kavanaugh, I won't hold the fundraiser." I say that's an offer of a thing of value.

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
      Replying to @KDbyProxy @AndyMcCanse @joshchafetz

      CHarles Koch calls up a D Senator and says, "in the past, I've supported you because you like unrestricted capitalism. I consider a vote for a SCOTUS candidate who favors restricting capitalism an important vote." Which happens --- every single day.

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    5. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Sep 13
      Replying to @emptywheel @AndyMcCanse @joshchafetz

      A) While I recall congressmen being prosecuted for doing official acts in return for $ for themselves, I don't recall any being prosecuted for taking $ for their campaigns. B) Yes, things happen every day that are arguably illegal & yet aren't prosecuted. 1/

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    6. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Sep 13
      Replying to @KDbyProxy @emptywheel and

      C) People are saying Collins is wrong to have said "bribery". Saying no one is ever prosecuted for what that group is doing doesn't mean it's not bribery. 2/

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    7. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Sep 13
      Replying to @KDbyProxy @emptywheel and

      D) Actual framing matters. Consider how some ppl who ask a celeb for money to not publish a tell-all book are prosecuted for extortion while others are not – b/c how the "ask" was framed. 3/3

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    8. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Sep 13
      Replying to @KDbyProxy @emptywheel and

      Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 Retweeted emptywheel

      In sum, look at the group's very words: "Either Sen. Collins VOTES NO on Kavanaugh OR we fund her future opponent" You can describe what's behind it however you want, but their words matter… which is why your hypo here is nothing like what they're doing.https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1040307463877275654 …

      Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 added,

      emptywheel @emptywheel
      Replying to @KDbyProxy @AndyMcCanse @joshchafetz
      CHarles Koch calls up a D Senator and says, "in the past, I've supported you because you like unrestricted capitalism. I consider a vote for a SCOTUS candidate who favors restricting capitalism an important vote." Which happens --- every single day.
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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
      Replying to @KDbyProxy @AndyMcCanse @joshchafetz

      Eh. Good luck proving this in court without blowing up virtually all GOP funding.

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    10. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Sep 13
      Replying to @emptywheel @AndyMcCanse @joshchafetz

      It's not about court. It's never been about court. It's about people mocking Collins (and anyone else) for saying it's "bribery". It IS bribery (or call it extortion). The fact that it's the sort that's not prosecuted is a different matter entirely.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
      Replying to @KDbyProxy @AndyMcCanse @joshchafetz

      Collins has never called the similar practice from her single donors bribery. Until she does, she's a fair target.

      12:19 PM - 13 Sep 2018
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        1. Andy Wright‏Verified account @AndyMcCanse Sep 13
          Replying to @emptywheel @KDbyProxy @joshchafetz

          Whatever one thinks of the legal footing on this group’s $ threat, this is put up or shut up time for Sen. Collins. The writing of Roe’s demise is on the wall. This is it—the Red Badge of Courage moment of a career.

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        1. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Sep 13
          Replying to @emptywheel @AndyMcCanse @joshchafetz

          Maybe because, until now, no one has been stupid enough to say to Senator Collins, "Either you vote NO on X or we'll give $1.2M to your future opponent"?

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