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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13

      Reup: The $30 Million Leverage Mueller Has to Force Paul Manafort's Cooperation https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/12/the-30-million-leverage-over-paul-manaforts-possible-cooperation/ … No one is considering the forfeiture implications of plea or no plea deal.

      16 replies 75 retweets 146 likes
    2. Andrew Prokop‏Verified account @awprokop Sep 13
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Great points. One q- Since the VA Jury hung on the Federal Savings Bank counts, is the number he's already in the hole smaller? (Counts 25/27 convictions were for the $3.4M Citizens Bank loan, and a loan he didn't end up getting.)

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
      Replying to @awprokop

      I quoted the relevant part. At least per the indictment, being found guilty on any of those permits the govt to seize the loan he did get.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Andrew Prokop‏Verified account @awprokop Sep 13
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Yeah, so the amount of the loan would be $3.4M instead of $16M, no? Since the jury hung re: the latter loan.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
      Replying to @awprokop

      No. Not as I read it. As I read it (not an expert nor a lawyer), if he is found guilty of ANY of the fraud ones, he loses the one remaining loan he has, the $16M one. Granted Ellis may not push that, but...

      2 replies 2 retweets 2 likes
    6. Andrew Prokop‏Verified account @awprokop Sep 13
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Looking into this more it appears SCO tied the VA trial potential forfeiture to two of the counts that ended up hung. At least they proposed to. They filed these while jury was deliberating.pic.twitter.com/5ugMTNpeKb

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
      Replying to @awprokop

      Oh wow. So that makes the hung jury all important.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    8. Andrew Prokop‏Verified account @awprokop Sep 13
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Yeah, that holdout juror picked the right pair of counts to hold out on, I guess. Pretty amazing that this hasn't gotten more attention, as you point out.

      2 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
      Replying to @awprokop

      SCO Just confirmed you're right.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    10. jessruth10‏ @jessruth10 Sep 13
      Replying to @emptywheel @awprokop

      Could the SCO be holding the potential of a retrial of those charges as leverage over manafort as well as they negotiate?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 13
      Replying to @jessruth10 @awprokop

      They assuredly are. Plus the $30M he stands to lose in DC. Which is how I started down this path originally. https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/12/the-30-million-leverage-over-paul-manaforts-possible-cooperation/ …

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