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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
      Replying to @emptywheel

      The question both verbally and in writing specified an NSA surveillance program, while the email specified a question about collection of people inside the US. (NSA's mission is to collect on targets outside the US) Which is why I don't understand what you mean by lying.

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      Again, even the officially released IG Report makes it clear they were collecting some content domestically. And they were selecting WHOM to collect on with the domestic collection he rubber stamped retroactively in Klayman.

      1 reply 2 retweets 8 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
      Replying to @emptywheel @MiekeEoyang

      And you're forgetting how the meaning of "collecting on" has radically changed since 2001.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃 Retweeted David Lat

      Yes, but I'm legit puzzled by what you mean by lying. Did you see this @DavidLat thread explaining:https://twitter.com/DavidLat/status/1038195699513520129 …

      Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃 added,

      David LatVerified account @DavidLat
      THREAD. "Perjury" claims against Judge Brett Kavanaugh re: NSA surveillance. 1. I've done long threads on claims that Kavanaugh "perjured" himself re: Pryor & #Memogate. This thread will be shorter. #SCOTUS #KavanaghHearing #KavanaughConfirmationHearings
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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang @DavidLat

      Yes. I reported the significance of that memo before this came out. I stand by it. Kavanaugh is telling the same lie Gonzales told, and everyone involved is playing games w/how BOTH torture and warrantless wiretapping were approved.

      1 reply 7 retweets 11 likes
    6. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
      Replying to @emptywheel @DavidLat

      In Gonzales' case, he was personally involved with warrantless wiretapping & trying to strong arm Ashcroft. But Kavanaugh's in a different position. What do you mean by "lie" as applied to Kavanaugh? He's not in the same position as Gonzales.

      2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang @DavidLat

      I think when I said "(it's less substantive for him, but still)" I made that point in the very first tweet in this thread. It's still using the same bullshit tactic. It remains bullshit, just not as significantly important as it was for Gonzales.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    8. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
      Replying to @emptywheel @DavidLat

      Right, but reporters are writing that Kavanaugh lied about it, which is inaccurate. Based on what we know in the public record, he did not knowingly make a materially false statement in his testimony about the NSA surveillance program.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    9. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang @emptywheel @DavidLat

      When *you* say he lied, but what you mean is that he's parsing finely to avoid having to answer for things others did in the Bush Administration about which he would have approved & defended ex post you give cover to people claiming a violation of 18 USC 1001.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    10. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang @emptywheel @DavidLat

      Which I trust you would agree on that particular question his answer doesn't rise to a statutory violation.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang @DavidLat

      In my post on how his response to allegedly learning he used stolen emails I said I think he avoided legal jeopardy with his lies (I might revisit that take on some topics, but not this one). But he did lie.

      7:46 PM - 12 Sep 2018
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        2. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @DavidLat

          Again, you keep using this word "lie." I do not think it means what you think it means. And as a legal analyst, I would encourage you to be specific when you throw around an accusation like that.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
          Replying to @MiekeEoyang @DavidLat

          I am. He lied. End sentence. He is, admittedly, a skilled liar. Which is not what I thought what we looked for in judges. But based on my (again, I keep saying this REPORTING, he lied.

          1 reply 2 retweets 12 likes
        4. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @DavidLat

          Did he lie about other things? probably. I think he is likely lying about not the Miranda memos. Do I think he doesn't meet the SCOTUS standard? Yes, keep him off the court. But on this narrow issue, based on how Leahy asked & the QFR was phrased, I don't see how its a lie.

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