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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12

      This confirms that Kavanaugh is telling the same lie (it's less substantive for him, but still) that some believe got Alberto Gonzales ousted as AG.pic.twitter.com/dMulWGlARM

      4 replies 178 retweets 309 likes
    2. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
      Replying to @emptywheel

      How are you defining "lie" in that tweet?

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      The entire term "TSP" is a phrase invented just for this purpose, so that people could talk about the subset of a larger surveillance program they were willing to talk about.

      2 replies 7 retweets 18 likes
    4. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
      Replying to @emptywheel

      The question both verbally and in writing specified an NSA surveillance program, while the email specified a question about collection of people inside the US. (NSA's mission is to collect on targets outside the US) Which is why I don't understand what you mean by lying.

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      Again, even the officially released IG Report makes it clear they were collecting some content domestically. And they were selecting WHOM to collect on with the domestic collection he rubber stamped retroactively in Klayman.

      1 reply 2 retweets 8 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
      Replying to @emptywheel @MiekeEoyang

      And you're forgetting how the meaning of "collecting on" has radically changed since 2001.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    7. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃 Retweeted David Lat

      Yes, but I'm legit puzzled by what you mean by lying. Did you see this @DavidLat thread explaining:https://twitter.com/DavidLat/status/1038195699513520129 …

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      David LatVerified account @DavidLat
      THREAD. "Perjury" claims against Judge Brett Kavanaugh re: NSA surveillance. 1. I've done long threads on claims that Kavanaugh "perjured" himself re: Pryor & #Memogate. This thread will be shorter. #SCOTUS #KavanaghHearing #KavanaughConfirmationHearings
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    8. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang @emptywheel @DavidLat

      There's a huge difference between the totality of what the USG did & Kavanaugh's personal culpability for/knowledge of it. & I hate defending Kavanaugh on this, b/c what he did w/the Miranda docs is ethically disqualifying. That's like benefiting from emails stolen by Russians.

      2 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang @DavidLat

      As I said, I reported on the significance of that memo--based off actual reporting and some knowledge of how much DIDN'T make even the Stellar Wind IG report--even before email came out. He's, at best, playing the same word games Gonzales did that allegedly got him ousted as AG.

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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @MiekeEoyang @DavidLat

          And, yes, I agree that his response to questions about using Miranda's emails should, by itself, be disqualifying. But it's also clear he is narrowly parsing answers and on "TSP" he happens to be using a known dodge, one invented for the purpose.

          1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
        3. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @DavidLat

          No, he's not narrowly parsing on his answers. Judiciary is asking specific questions, not using TSP, but NSA. And unless there are additional memos showing more direct involvement, I don't see anything in the public record that directly contradicts his testimony now or in 2006.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
          Replying to @MiekeEoyang @DavidLat

          Sorry. The fact that he's being asked answers abt NSA and he's answering ONLY abt TSP (which is what he did in the original) is precisely the lie, not the excuse. Same as limiting As on Kozinski JUST to sexual nature. Or As on birth control to what plaintiffs said. Etc etc.

          1 reply 5 retweets 10 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @MiekeEoyang @DavidLat

          I mean, this will not, in any way, make the difference between him being confirmed or not. But it should have been the basis for recusal in Klayman.

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        6. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @DavidLat

          Oh, interesting about recusal on Klayman. That hadn't occurred to me. I'm not sure that even Leahy, who asked the question, would parse the way that you have.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        7. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang Sep 12
          Replying to @MiekeEoyang @emptywheel @DavidLat

          And 100% agree with you about whether it makes a difference to whether or not he's confirmed. But I think you'd have a hard time finding anyone who was read into TSP/702/SI thinking he lied.

          0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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