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    1. Philip Schneider‏ @teamphil Sep 1
      Replying to @emptywheel @zinfandelfortwo @seancarman

      For your narrative to be correct, the Special Counsel is aware that Papadopoulos is still lying and yet they're only recommending 6 mo. That's ridiculous. Mueller would be recommending that the court sentence him to the maximum term.

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    2. Sean Carman‏ @seancarman Sep 1
      Replying to @teamphil @emptywheel @zinfandelfortwo

      How do you know this? Why wouldn’t they report his repeated lies to the court, so it could impose a fair sentence, and make their own rec consistent w/ other sentences in the case? Remember, he likely also gave them useful information in compliance with his coop agreement.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Sean Carman‏ @seancarman Sep 1
      Replying to @seancarman @teamphil and

      My point is we don’t know what happened. But it’s odd that the OSC highlighted his repeated lies, didn’t say he helped the investigation, didn’t say he didn’t honor his coop agreement, and then recc’d a light sentence. 1/2

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    4. Philip Schneider‏ @teamphil Sep 1
      Replying to @seancarman @emptywheel @zinfandelfortwo

      Mr. Mueller stated Papadopoulos repeatedly lied prior to agreeing to cooperate. Then he acknowledged Papadopoulos cooperated.pic.twitter.com/vb8DWpHfD3

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 1
      Replying to @teamphil @seancarman @zinfandelfortwo

      You have got to be kidding me! That's not what that section says.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Philip Schneider‏ @teamphil Sep 1
      Replying to @emptywheel @seancarman @zinfandelfortwo

      The section is titled Efforts to Cooperate "Pursuant to this agreement, the Government provides the Court with the following information." Mueller's report on Papadopoulos extent of cooperation begins on the next page.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 1
      Replying to @teamphil @seancarman @zinfandelfortwo

      I think you missed this passage.pic.twitter.com/LtQaUmS9WM

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    8. Philip Schneider‏ @teamphil Sep 1
      Replying to @emptywheel @seancarman @zinfandelfortwo

      I didn't miss it. This is Mr Mueller's description of the extent of Papadopoulos cooperation. It states he did not provide substantial assistance. That's because he was not involved in any conspiracy nor did he pass on Mifsud's tip. There's no accusation that Papadopoulos lied.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 1
      Replying to @teamphil @seancarman @zinfandelfortwo

      How do you know he wasn't involved in a conspiracy?

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    10. Philip Schneider‏ @teamphil Sep 1
      Replying to @emptywheel @seancarman @zinfandelfortwo

      The burden is not mine. It is yours. But we can infer Mr Mueller believes he came clean based on the lenient sentencing recommendation of 0 to 6 mo.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Sep 1
      Replying to @teamphil @seancarman @zinfandelfortwo

      Ooookkaaayyy. Let's start with what normal sentencing is in this situation. Know anything about that?

      7:28 PM - 1 Sep 2018
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        1. Philip Schneider‏ @teamphil Sep 1
          Replying to @emptywheel @seancarman @zinfandelfortwo

          Papadopoulos is a dead end for you. He has met his obligation to the Special Counsel. He's a week away from being sentenced. Elvis has left the building. You must attack his credibility and imagine new sins in order for your narrative to remain viable.

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        2. Philip Schneider‏ @teamphil Sep 1
          Replying to @emptywheel @seancarman @zinfandelfortwo

          No I don't. But it seems unlikely that if Mr Mueller knows Papadopoulos had been untruthful after agreeing to cooperate, that he would recommend zero to six months in prison.

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        3. Philip Schneider‏ @teamphil Sep 1
          Replying to @teamphil @emptywheel and

          I guess it's possible that if Mueller recommended just zero to six months for a non cooperative defendant, then in the case of a cooperating defendant, Mr Mueller might recommend an all expenses paid vacation to Hawaii + a key to the city.

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