It seems the difference is that Waas is suggesting Trump didn’t know of Flynn’s collusion in advance, and you’re saying Trump did. I’m inclined to agree with you, but my point is that it’s obstruction either way. Right?
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Replying to @jedshug
You want to believe Murray that this attempt to CYA (which exposed McGahn as much as anyone else) is more evidence of CYA than Trump offering pardons to Manafort and Flynn? Pardons he had probably already offered by the time this was written?
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Replying to @emptywheel
Marcy, I trust your work & I think it's probably true that Trump directed the calls AND that he found out Flynn was caught red-handed. But I tend to be focused on what prosecutors can prove now. If they now have proof of obstruction, I think that's a big deal on its own. Right?
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Replying to @jedshug
No. They have proof of conspiracy. The obstruction only 1) got Mueller to the point where he got proof of conspiracy 2) gives Rudy means to FUD 3) is likely harder to prove at this point, and more legally fraught.
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Replying to @emptywheel
OK, got it. And I'll add a 4th: No amount of obstruction is going to get the GOP base or Senators to support removal. Only hard evidence of conspiracy will make a real difference politically. So if Waas's story is an obstruction-distraction cover for the conspiracy, I agree w/you
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Replying to @jedshug
Yes. All the more so if people are spreading stories about obstruction that cover up the evidence of conspiracy.
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Replying to @emptywheel
That's a major factual turning point in itself: the Trump White House personnel are so worried about Russian conspiracy evidence (and their own crim exposure) that they are conceding rampant obstruction.
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Replying to @jedshug @emptywheel
That kinda makes me think Priebus is a source here. His exposure to conspiracy seems much greater than to obstruction and he comes out looking pretty good in Murray's article.
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That might be right.
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Replying to @emptywheel @jedshug
Maybe he was the source for the Feb 9 WaPo story too!!!
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Yes, as I suggested, that seemed like a possibility given what they said on Jan 29.
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