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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
      Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

      And I'm telling you based off ACTUAL EVENTS what happened (otherwise known as "reality"). And what happened, which is consistent with those three bullets, is that the things Andy clings to to claim there is no collusion (indictments on cyber) didn't start under Mueller.

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    2. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
      Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

      At no point did I say / claim there is no collusion. Nor did your original tweet for that matter. Your tweet made the case that Mueller was only appointed to look at collusion and nothing else. That is false as I have said over and over.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
      Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

      Let me dumb this down so you can understand. Andy claimed, FALSELY (based off actual events) that IRA & GRU investigation were ALWAYS part of Mueller scope. They were not. Those parts of RU investigation got moved under Mueller, I suspect when "collusion" was established.

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    4. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
      Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

      Ok, that is not what you said in the tweet I responded to. Your tweet provided a quote from Andy about Muellers scope and then stated "What happened was Mueller took over a CI investigation OF TRUMP's CAMPAIGN”. I think we have been arguing different points this entire time :)

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
      Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

      Andy is wrong about the scope of Mueller, and he uses that wrong scope to take solace in fact that RU indictments didn't (yet) name Americans. He should take opposite, bc the only reason Mueller indicted them rather than WDPA is bc they got subsumed in November.

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    6. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
      Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

      Still disagree on scope point, on the second point, certainly a viable theory, time will tell.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
      Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

      You may disagree, but you are 100% wrong. I've cited specific dates of specific events that are specific things that Andy claimed were always part of Mueller. They weren't. Then they were.

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    8. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
      Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

      I was responding to the quote in your tweet about scope, not every point Andy has ever made. I did not say GRU etc was part of scope, I simply said it was NOT as you stated "Mueller took over a CI investigation OF TRUMP's CAMPAIGN”. His scope also included CI invest of Russia.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
      Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

      No. It didn't. AGAIN, my knowledge is based, in part, on actual events. I'm talking about reality, and you're talking about a misunderstanding of basic grammar.

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    10. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
      Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

      So If I go by what you are saying, would it be fair to assume Comey miss-led congress by stating there was CI investigation into Russian meddling when actually it was only the Trump campaign?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
      Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

      Nope. Did Comey say a single thing about how that investigation was structured?

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        2. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
          Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

          He said “Investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between..Trump Campaign”. Include definition is "contain as part of a whole”. If no other parts thats misleading.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
          Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

          So, no. He didn't make any comments about the structure of the investigation and you're back to misreading grammar? Again, I've got real dates of real events of real investigations that Andy and you claim were always under Mueller and you've got ... a problem with grammar.

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        4. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
          Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

          so you agree his grammar was misleading?

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
          Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

          His grammar described, as you said, about a whole (RU investigation) and a subset (Trump's people). Zero parts of that say anything about structure of investigation, about how that part related to the whole.

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        6. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
          Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

          Ok now I am confused again, you just stated my point from this entire thread? "whole (RU investigation) and a subset (Trump's people).” and Mueller was appointed to pickup what Comey described. Your claim was no "whole (RU investigation)" just Trumps people.

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
          Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

          It is a fact that parts of the investigation NOT pertaining to Trump's people was not brought under Mueller until less than a year ago. That is consistent w/all public comments on the investigation, just not your reading of those public comments.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
          Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

          Got you, I think … finally :) So Mueller picked up some Russia CI stuff - but not all - and the Trump campaign?

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
          Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

          There is zero evidence that Mueller picked up ANY of the CI investigation that didn't directly pertain to Trump's people, and abundant evidence that he didn't.

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