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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26

    Why does @AndrewCMcCarthy say this? That's not what happened. What happened was Mueller took over a CI investigation OF TRUMP's CAMPAIGN. Part (if not all) of the larger CI investigation were later subsumed in it. Andy might ask why that is. https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/what-to-make-of-the-cohen-plea-and-manafort-convictions/ …pic.twitter.com/E2uoER8COl

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      2. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

        Mueller appointment letter stated he was picking up the investigation Comey testified to congress about. "The F.B.I., as part of our counterintelligence effort, is investigating the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 president election,”

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
        Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

        Now read the bullet points.

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      4. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

        I read them and they state that in addition to what Comey testified about, Mueller will investigate links to Trump campaign and any additional crimes which might might be uncovered during investigation. Your tweet claimed Russia was NOT what Mueller picked up.. it was..

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
        Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

        That's false, but I understand why Andy is desperate to believe that. I base that on a number of different things: >Plain language >Mueller's team >Other reporting >My own reporting >My own interview w/FBI

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      6. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

        It has nothing to do with what Andy wants to believe, its plain english. “The SC is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director Comey.” I have already tweeted Comey transcript. Are you saying the transcript or the appointment letter is false?

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      7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
        Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

        No. I'm saying you're not reading the bullet points, the public reporting, the Mueller team, or anything else. Andy's wrong. I understand why he needs to believe that. But he is absolutely wrong, and therefore needs to revisit his conclusions.

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      8. Daniel Solomon‏ @dansolomonza Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

        Your claim was SC did not pick up CI probe into Russia Interference, my quote shows he did. The bullet points do not remove the previous clause they simply add to it - potential Trump Campaign collusion. Current / further reporting also doesnt change the appointment letter.

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      9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
        Replying to @dansolomonza @AndrewCMcCarthy

        No it doesn't. Again, I've pointed to 4 other kinds of evidence. I mean, SC ultimately DID pick up those CI sides. In November 2017. After finding evidence that parts of those CI investigations needed to be protected.

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      2. Ombudsman4Truth‏ @ombudsman4truth Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

        There's a small discrepancy between Comey's original description of the CI and Rosenstein's mandate. Comey put Russian interference first, Trump links second. Rosenstien put Trump links first, anything arising second, anyone Obstructing Mueller third

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
        Replying to @ombudsman4truth @AndrewCMcCarthy

        Not a discrepancy. They're describing different things.

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      4. Ombudsman4Truth‏ @ombudsman4truth Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

        How can a Special Counsel be given a Counterintelligence investigation? It's not even contemplated by the 2000 regulation.

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
        Replying to @ombudsman4truth @AndrewCMcCarthy

        Because Trump officials are going to prison is how.

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      2. Linda Richey‏ @zinfandelfortwo Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

        Marcy you are wrong: RR statement "to oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters"https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/appointment-special-counsel …

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
        Replying to @zinfandelfortwo @AndrewCMcCarthy

        Read the bullet points. This has been litigated over and over. And there is ABUNDANT evidence that Andy's flat out (but wishfully, understandably) wrong.

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      2. Joe Szilagyi‏ @joeszi Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel @AndrewCMcCarthy

        .@AndrewCMcCarthy spins the same reason everyone from local right wing talk radio up to @realDonaldTrump does and the reason we have a gajillion billionaire funded conservative groups and media: Any/all deviation and lack of constant total reinforcement breaks control.

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      3. Joe Szilagyi‏ @joeszi Aug 26
        Replying to @joeszi @emptywheel and

        If these groups don't totally constantly reinforce their world view on regular "conservatives" - they start asking questions and thinking for themselves. And if they start thinking for themselves, they ask, "What exactly is all this shit doing for *me*?"

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      4. Joe Szilagyi‏ @joeszi Aug 26
        Replying to @joeszi @emptywheel and

        Unless you're a religious single-issue voter such as an abortion or tacitly a single-issue voter in holding down/back minorities: They do *nothing* for you.

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      5. Joe Szilagyi‏ @joeszi Aug 26
        Replying to @joeszi @emptywheel and

        That's why they have crafted post-Nixon this scam where a "good conservative" can go from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to bed immersed in an artificial control environment. It's demonstrably the same behaviors as abusive spouses and cults.

        1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      6. Joe Szilagyi‏ @joeszi Aug 26
        Replying to @joeszi @emptywheel and

        Once the target starts asking questions, the illusion breaks. Freedom of thought follows. Freedom of thought is the dire mortal enemy of American conservatism. Questions are the enemy. They must be kept from voters.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. Joe Szilagyi‏ @joeszi Aug 26
        Replying to @joeszi @emptywheel and

        That's why the conservative system is designed for 24x7 coverage: you wake up to Fox News; you drive to work on AM talk; you stick to friendly online venues; you only have Fox and the same talk radio on it work; repeat this in reverse till bedtime. Do it over again.

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      8. Joe Szilagyi‏ @joeszi Aug 26
        Replying to @joeszi @emptywheel and

        That's why they have to spin like this, and why they all do it constantly. If they don't, they lose. Free flow of information is the death of conservatism.

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      9. End of conversation

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