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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26

    emptywheel Retweeted John Harwood

    Here's the thing abt Trump's base. They're only going to stick with him so long as he can maintain appearance of sticking it to the elites, of being a winner. That appearance has the possibility of changing quickly.https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/1033008635482398720 …

    emptywheel added,

    John HarwoodVerified account @JohnJHarwood
    new AP Poll on how Americans view Trump’s performance as president: —38% approve, 60% disapprove —18% approve STRONGLY, 43% disapprove STRONGLY
    7:08 AM - 26 Aug 2018
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    59 replies 210 retweets 757 likes
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      2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26

        That will change even more quickly and violently (in all senses of the word) if Trump's followers believe he tricked them.

        29 replies 54 retweets 335 likes
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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26

        To be clear: I don't think the guilty status of his aides will do Trump in with his true believers. But when he begins to look weak -- as the legal challenges to the Trump brand may do -- that will sour his supporters.

        38 replies 72 retweets 407 likes
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      4. End of conversation
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      2. Derek Leo‏ @derekmke Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel

        That also means there is absolutely nothing off the table in terms of desperate attempts to cling to power and maintain that appearance. Things will probably go rapidly downhill before they get better.

        1 reply 1 retweet 36 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
        Replying to @derekmke

        They may. But he's hampered by the fact that he's incompetent, and his most competent aides have already started ignoring some of his orders.

        1 reply 3 retweets 63 likes
      4. Simplicator‏ @Simplicator Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel @derekmke

        And that he’s an abject coward. Couldn’t even admit to Omarosa—over the phone—that he meant to fire her. That he didn’t oust Mueller months ago is striking.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Derek Leo‏ @derekmke Aug 26
        Replying to @Simplicator @emptywheel

        He tried to order McGahn to fire Mueller, but couldn’t follow through with that threat either.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. End of conversation
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      2. Ċḧṛïṡ‏ @chrisbrad22 Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @Kasparov63 said this from the start and it's worth re-reading whenever your battery needs a charge -https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/2/11/14577834/garry-kasparov-putin-trump …

        6 replies 53 retweets 91 likes
      3. Roland Hordos‏ @rolandhordos Aug 26
        Replying to @chrisbrad22 @Kasparov63 @emptywheel

        “America is finding out the hard way that much of its government is based on tradition and the honor system, and not explicit laws. There will be a crisis every day.”

        1 reply 16 retweets 45 likes
      4. David Krae  📎‏ @dkrae Aug 26
        Replying to @rolandhordos @chrisbrad22 and

        The "letter of the law" & "spirit of the law" - the spirit of the law, the guiding principles, the intention of the law, incl things like discretion, and COMMON SENSE are being gerrymandered from within, while also being thrust upon the people with a heavy authoritarian hand.

        1 reply 2 retweets 4 likes
      5. Roland Hordos‏ @rolandhordos Aug 26
        Replying to @dkrae @chrisbrad22 and

        The ‘Reasonable Person’ and what they would/might do, makes for such a grey area and not so rules based. I went to Mechanical Engineering school not Law, but from the one law course we took I always remember this paradigm shift, in an otherwise highly logical curriculum.

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      6. David Krae  📎‏ @dkrae Aug 26
        Replying to @rolandhordos @chrisbrad22 and

        True. And grey areas are the lubricant of society. The machinery of law, if made too precise, too explicit, too detailed, becomes brittle, unreasonable -- also impractical, since no one can possibly know & understand even the laws we currently have. Also, logic assumes things.

        0 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
      7. End of conversation
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      2. Keithulhu Fhtammann  🐙‏ @geeniusatwrok Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel

        You don't think they'll simply choose to see him as a winner sticking it to the elites no matter how great the preponderance of evidence to the contrary?

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
        Replying to @geeniusatwrok

        It depends on whether he finds a way out of his woes. But that looks increasingly unlikely.

        1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      4. IBrake ForAnts‏ @ibrake4ants Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel @geeniusatwrok

        So are we in for a Pence presidency after Trump resigns or is impeached?

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. runtodaylight‏ @runtodaylight Aug 26
        Replying to @ibrake4ants @geeniusatwrok

        My undocumented speculation, Mueller has him, because he was too dumb to insulate himself. I think Flynn could testify against him. Trump might see Pence as someone he could testify against. Apologies if not helpful.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. IBrake ForAnts‏ @ibrake4ants Aug 26
        Replying to @runtodaylight @geeniusatwrok

        I wish but I think Marcy has seemed to indicate in the past that he's not going to have any exposure ... ugh

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. runtodaylight‏ @runtodaylight Aug 26
        Replying to @ibrake4ants @geeniusatwrok

        You're probably correct, but I don't recall that. https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/05/19/does-vice-president-pence-believe-he-has-declassification-authority/ … is good on why Trump might want to take down Pence.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      8. IBrake ForAnts‏ @ibrake4ants Aug 26
        Replying to @runtodaylight @geeniusatwrok

        Thanks; I'll check it out

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      9. End of conversation
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      2. MtnGirl‏ @MtnGirl19 Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I live in a deeply red zone. The flaw in your logic is that his base doesn’t hate wealthy elites, they want to be one. They think he is helping them be rich. It’s the prosperity gospel

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 26
        Replying to @MtnGirl19

        Nothing you say addresses my point, in the least. He's not going to help them be rich if his empire collapses as a sham.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. MtnGirl‏ @MtnGirl19 Aug 26
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Those of you that aren’t exposed to his base on a daily basis don’t get it. They aren’t going to turn on him no matter what Mueller is able to get from his inner circle. They think it’s the deep state out to get him, and they will stick with him because he beat Hillary, period.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. runtodaylight‏ @runtodaylight Aug 26
        Replying to @MtnGirl19

        emptywheel lives in Grand Rapids, MI., heart of the rust belt.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. MtnGirl‏ @MtnGirl19 Aug 26
        Replying to @runtodaylight

        I’m not talking about swing voters. The rust belt voted for Obama. I’m talking about his base, the people whose hatred for Obama, Hilary and all things liberal colors their ability to see anything else.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. runtodaylight‏ @runtodaylight Aug 26
        Replying to @MtnGirl19

        Neither was emptywheel. Obama and HRC aren't liberals. They're pro-choice, Wall Street Republicans. Among the reasons HRC lost, Obama's DOJ didn't indict one Wall Street CEO. The voters you're tweeting about--maybe 35 percent of the electorate--don't swing presidential elections.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. MtnGirl‏ @MtnGirl19 Aug 26
        Replying to @runtodaylight

        Also, I’m well aware of Obama & HRC’s policies, which is why I wasn’t a huge fan of either one of them. They weren’t progressive in my opinion.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      9. End of conversation

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