That will change even more quickly and violently (in all senses of the word) if Trump's followers believe he tricked them.
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To be clear: I don't think the guilty status of his aides will do Trump in with his true believers. But when he begins to look weak -- as the legal challenges to the Trump brand may do -- that will sour his supporters.
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That also means there is absolutely nothing off the table in terms of desperate attempts to cling to power and maintain that appearance. Things will probably go rapidly downhill before they get better.
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They may. But he's hampered by the fact that he's incompetent, and his most competent aides have already started ignoring some of his orders.
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And that he’s an abject coward. Couldn’t even admit to Omarosa—over the phone—that he meant to fire her. That he didn’t oust Mueller months ago is striking.
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He tried to order McGahn to fire Mueller, but couldn’t follow through with that threat either.
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@Kasparov63 said this from the start and it's worth re-reading whenever your battery needs a charge -https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/2/11/14577834/garry-kasparov-putin-trump … -
“America is finding out the hard way that much of its government is based on tradition and the honor system, and not explicit laws. There will be a crisis every day.”
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The "letter of the law" & "spirit of the law" - the spirit of the law, the guiding principles, the intention of the law, incl things like discretion, and COMMON SENSE are being gerrymandered from within, while also being thrust upon the people with a heavy authoritarian hand.
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The ‘Reasonable Person’ and what they would/might do, makes for such a grey area and not so rules based. I went to Mechanical Engineering school not Law, but from the one law course we took I always remember this paradigm shift, in an otherwise highly logical curriculum.
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True. And grey areas are the lubricant of society. The machinery of law, if made too precise, too explicit, too detailed, becomes brittle, unreasonable -- also impractical, since no one can possibly know & understand even the laws we currently have. Also, logic assumes things.
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You don't think they'll simply choose to see him as a winner sticking it to the elites no matter how great the preponderance of evidence to the contrary?
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It depends on whether he finds a way out of his woes. But that looks increasingly unlikely.
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So are we in for a Pence presidency after Trump resigns or is impeached?
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My undocumented speculation, Mueller has him, because he was too dumb to insulate himself. I think Flynn could testify against him. Trump might see Pence as someone he could testify against. Apologies if not helpful.
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I wish but I think Marcy has seemed to indicate in the past that he's not going to have any exposure ... ugh
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You're probably correct, but I don't recall that. https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/05/19/does-vice-president-pence-believe-he-has-declassification-authority/ … is good on why Trump might want to take down Pence.
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Thanks; I'll check it out
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I live in a deeply red zone. The flaw in your logic is that his base doesn’t hate wealthy elites, they want to be one. They think he is helping them be rich. It’s the prosperity gospel
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Nothing you say addresses my point, in the least. He's not going to help them be rich if his empire collapses as a sham.
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Those of you that aren’t exposed to his base on a daily basis don’t get it. They aren’t going to turn on him no matter what Mueller is able to get from his inner circle. They think it’s the deep state out to get him, and they will stick with him because he beat Hillary, period.
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emptywheel lives in Grand Rapids, MI., heart of the rust belt.
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I’m not talking about swing voters. The rust belt voted for Obama. I’m talking about his base, the people whose hatred for Obama, Hilary and all things liberal colors their ability to see anything else.
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Neither was emptywheel. Obama and HRC aren't liberals. They're pro-choice, Wall Street Republicans. Among the reasons HRC lost, Obama's DOJ didn't indict one Wall Street CEO. The voters you're tweeting about--maybe 35 percent of the electorate--don't swing presidential elections.
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Also, I’m well aware of Obama & HRC’s policies, which is why I wasn’t a huge fan of either one of them. They weren’t progressive in my opinion.
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