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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
      Replying to @aaronjmate @JonathanFolland @democracynow

      On the prosecutor's case, I'm laughing at you bc you don't understand that the standard for conspiracy is what Junior agreed to, which is what was in that note. Mostly I'm just laughing that you don't understand the evidence.

      2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
      Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate and

      As to you repeatedly misstating what Goldstone said, when he was asked what the "bare facts" that Emin wanted him to include, he said "the bare facts: attorney, damaging information, Democrats, Hillary Clinton" (and implied that "helpful to the Trumps" would be in there too).

      2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
    3. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 23
      Replying to @emptywheel @JonathanFolland @democracynow

      Ok, & so not only not "repeatedly" but you won't find a single instance of me "misstating" that. In any event, if you think that's grounds for a conspiracy charge -- & worth laughing about that someone else doesn't agree -- then also ok. I have a different view.

      2 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
      Replying to @aaronjmate @JonathanFolland @democracynow

      I'm asking you to engage in the facts. You misstated the Goldstone facts repeatedly, in this instance and the last time we discussed it. So, again, this is not a disagreement. It's you, ignoring facts so as to sustain a belief you want to believe.

      2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
    5. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 23
      Replying to @emptywheel @JonathanFolland @democracynow

      Despite now claiming it repeatedly, you haven't pointed to where I "misstated the Goldstone facts repeatedly," let alone once.

      3 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
      Replying to @aaronjmate @JonathanFolland @democracynow

      Aaron: Goldstone only had to get a meeting so no conspiracy!*!*!*!*!*! Me: Goldstone said he had to get a meeting based off "attorney, damaging information, Democrats, Hillary Clinton" [and helpful to Trump] which actually are the elements needed for a conspiracy

      1 reply 0 retweets 15 likes
    7. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 23
      Replying to @emptywheel @JonathanFolland @democracynow

      Aaron: for there to be a Trump-Russia conspiracy, a music publicist's email* doesn't suffice to prove it. Marcy: "the elements needed for a conspiracy" in that email suffice to prove a conspiracy, irrespective of whether we can prove the email led to anything beyond a meeting.

      3 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
    8. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 23
      Replying to @aaronjmate @emptywheel and

      *the email, by the way, promised "dirt" about Hillary's "dealings with Russia", not hacked emails, i.e. the dirt at heart of the alleged Trump-Russia conspiracy. This has been very clarifying.

      3 replies 2 retweets 9 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
      Replying to @aaronjmate @JonathanFolland @democracynow

      I get that "a music publicist" gets your rocks off Aaron. But that's not evidence about what Don Jr intended. And you always conveniently forget the other evidence--that the campaign had been informed of emails and Don Jr seemed to know what Goldstone was talking about.

      2 replies 1 retweet 14 likes
    10. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 23
      Replying to @emptywheel @JonathanFolland @democracynow

      1/ no actually, there's no evidence campaign was informed of emails. George P is the one who told FBI about emails/Mifsud (Downer's tip was so vague that it had neither) - as indicated by zero communications from George P to campaign about emails.

      3 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
      Replying to @aaronjmate @JonathanFolland @democracynow

      You've reviewed all the campaign emails and notes? That's reassuring, given that you can't even read Goldstone's testimony accurately, given multiple attempts.

      8:14 AM - 23 Aug 2018
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        2. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 23
          Replying to @emptywheel @JonathanFolland @democracynow

          You're aware of "campaign emails and notes" that inform the Trump camp about stolen emails? Please give them to Mueller.

          3 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
          Replying to @aaronjmate @JonathanFolland @democracynow

          LOL. And if I had given something to Mueller (or the FBI) directly on this point you would then say I was making it up, as you have repeatedly.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 23
          Replying to @emptywheel @JonathanFolland @democracynow

          Wow! I've never once said you've made anything up. Except for right now -- you're making up that I ever said you made something up! I just don't agree with your POV.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Linda Richey‏ @zinfandelfortwo Aug 23
          Replying to @aaronjmate @emptywheel and

          Thank you Aaron. Everything you said in this thread matches the same holes I have seen in Marcy's conspiracy argument. There simply is no relation to or connection between GP and Trump Jr. on any stolen emails pertinent to Russia's actual actions.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. kcz‏ @kcz100 Aug 23
          Replying to @zinfandelfortwo @aaronjmate and

          Marcy blocked me for questioning her narrative. Thing is Marcy, if your narrative aligns w/ your readership's desired outcome, you have a cognitive-biased readership: An echo chamber. Like Rachel. Guess Marcy, like Rachel, favors fawning fans over facts.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. magbie13‏ @mrcx13 Aug 23
          Replying to @kcz100 @zinfandelfortwo and

          She blocked me too for the same reason. And i agree with everything you just said about her.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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