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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23

    Hopefully MAGA juror making public that she & 10 other jurors were convinced beyond reasonable doubt Manafort was guilty & no one is above the law will make Manafort's lawyers pause b4 seeking a new trial w/a juror who won't blow voir dire (and jury management) like Ellis did.

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      1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23

        Sorry: Obviously mean "judge" here

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      2. Barnette Lloyd‏ @Gabe203 Aug 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        how did Ellis blow voir dire? I must have missed that

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
        Replying to @Gabe203

        This jury should not have had anyone so ardently pro or anti Trump that they had a MAGA hat in the car.

        11 replies 18 retweets 158 likes
      4. Kelly H‏ @tihallk Aug 23
        Replying to @emptywheel @Gabe203

        He totally messed up... didn't ask the right questions, underestimated the gravity of the trial, prohibited certain terms. Not good.

        0 replies 3 retweets 20 likes
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      2. Bird Lawyer‏ @Real_JoeNathan Aug 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        So you don't think he's not pleading out because he's afraid of Russian retribution?

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      4. Bird Lawyer‏ @Real_JoeNathan Aug 23
        Replying to @pencilskirt @emptywheel

        If I only wanted one opinion, I would have DM'ed. 😀 I agree with you. I don't think loyalty to Trump is motivating him nearly as much as fear of the Russians for himself and his family.

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      2. Lodestar Runner‏ @AaronSundance Aug 23
        Replying to @emptywheel @dandrezner

        Isn’t it weird for her to come out and say she went into the trial wanting to find him not guilty? I mean, props for setting that aside and all, but every time I see an interview with an actual juror it shakes any faith I have in the wisdom of trial by jury.

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      3. Commonwealth Courier‏ @altCourierSix Aug 23
        Replying to @AaronSundance @emptywheel @dandrezner

        I'm a bit torn on this. On one hand, you could ascribe it to a strong belief in "innocent until proven guilty" and a skeptical mind - especially when considering charges under the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard. Go too far, though, and it becomes problematic.

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      2. Bonita Smith‏ @bonitasmith Aug 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Where I can read the story you're talking about here?

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. Warren Terra‏ @warren__terra Aug 23
        Replying to @bonitasmith @emptywheel

        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/23/manafort-juror-reveals-lone-holdout-prevented-mueller-team-from-winning-conviction-on-all-counts.html …

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      4. Bonita Smith‏ @bonitasmith Aug 23
        Replying to @warren__terra @emptywheel

        thanks

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      2. Gregg Levine‏ @GreggJLevine Aug 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        No, you're obviously caught in a happy happy sunshine time warp. This is 2018. What's going to happen is this will be spun as a "Democratic jury," and every conviction from here on will be labeled a partisan witch hunt.

        1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
      3. BR549‏ @deafboxers Aug 23
        Replying to @GreggJLevine @emptywheel

        Person interviewed made a point that she had voted for trump

        1 reply 2 retweets 6 likes
      4. b 🎃 🎃swax‏ @realmissbeeswax Aug 23
        Replying to @deafboxers @GreggJLevine @emptywheel

        And plans to do so again in 2 years...

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      2. Jimmy Blomkvist‏ @jplang43 Aug 23
        Replying to @emptywheel

        How she got through voir dire is a mystery. Though not all that improbable.

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      3. michael brace‏ @wazoocat Aug 23
        Replying to @jplang43 @MrMurder37 @emptywheel

        Sounds like the judge severely limited voir dire...which is fairly typical in fed ct vs state court

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      4. Jimmy Blomkvist‏ @jplang43 Aug 23
        Replying to @wazoocat @MrMurder37 @emptywheel

        I've done voir dire in fed court and I understand the more limited q&a, but "Do you believe politics affect prosecutions?" should have made the cut. Hopefully they'll do that in Manafort II and subsequent trump familia prosecutions.

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      5. HeatChalk‏ @nowhitechalk Aug 23
        Replying to @jplang43 @wazoocat and

        No b/c they follow that question w/"can you set aside politics for evidence?" and that answer always carries the day. Sure, you can use a peremptory challenge but you don't get enough of those to strike everyone w/political opinions.

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      6. Jimmy Blomkvist‏ @jplang43 Aug 23
        Replying to @nowhitechalk @wazoocat and

        One group question leads to a show of hands and may support a for cause dismissal of the whole group who agree, like a race bias. I haven't picked a jury in years though so I am rusty on the rules. I'll defer to more current practitioners now.

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      7. HeatChalk‏ @nowhitechalk Aug 23
        Replying to @jplang43 @wazoocat and

        Idk if the judge even asked about pretrial publicity here, he said earlier he had no idea how high profile the case would become. Look for this question next trial in DC.

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      8. HeatChalk‏ @nowhitechalk Aug 23
        Replying to @nowhitechalk @jplang43 and

        Typical to ask if you know or "know of" defendant, would be interesting for @maddow to get the transcript of voir dire to see how this was handled.

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