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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 22

      I learned so much about journalism from both watching & working at @democracynow for many years. So the Russiagate era has been perplexing. Here's @emptywheel asserting existence of a Trump-Russia "conspiracy" as established truth without any pushback: https://www.democracynow.org/2018/8/22/michael_cohen_pleads_guilty_implicates_trump …pic.twitter.com/HyH4z6j0w3

      38 replies 92 retweets 229 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
      Replying to @aaronjmate @democracynow

      Aaron: Even pretending you engage with the actual evidence rather than your cute caricature of it, do you know what is legally required for a conspiracy?

      4 replies 4 retweets 76 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
      Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate @democracynow

      Here's a hint: All that's required for a criminal conspiracy is in the public record. That's it!! But that would require you to become familiar with the public record.

      5 replies 2 retweets 53 likes
    4. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 22
      Replying to @emptywheel @democracynow

      Marcy -- I know you believe, also based on your own reporting, that there was a conspiracy. My point is that the adversarial show you were interviewed on didn't challenge you to substantiate your assertion of it. Had they, you could've cited the public record as you did here.

      3 replies 1 retweet 33 likes
    5. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 22
      Replying to @aaronjmate @emptywheel @democracynow

      but since you raise it -- you'll agree that there is no allegation of a Trump-Russia conspiracy in the public record (Mueller, court docs, etc). So where is the evidence for it?

      1 reply 3 retweets 37 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
      Replying to @aaronjmate @democracynow

      There have been numerous allegations that are not *yet* charged. With the President's senile lawyer arguing that it shouldn't be charged bc Don Jr is just too dumb to know. But you are aligning yourself in the more senile than Rudy camp.

      4:35 PM - 22 Aug 2018
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        2. Goatstein‏ @Goatstein Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate @democracynow

          you're saying that there is evidence in the public record yet, but there might be later, which is the same as saying there is currently no evidence in the public record, yet you are asserting it as settled fact

          2 replies 2 retweets 23 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @Goatstein @aaronjmate @democracynow

          No no no. Aaron started this by asking for evidence. I pointed to it. He THEN said, but there are no charges. He moved the ball, not me. Typical of his bad faith performance.

          2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
        4. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @Goatstein @democracynow

          That's not what happened. You cited the public record. I then said, since we "agree that there is no allegation of a Trump-Russia conspiracy in the public record... where is the evidence for it?" No ball moving, just ball locating!pic.twitter.com/k43b2CnYkc

          2 replies 2 retweets 28 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @aaronjmate @Goatstein @democracynow

          You mean something besides a criminal charge as an allegation? Bc I can point to a long list of allegations (indeed, this fight is over me making one!!!). What you did was say bc Mueller has not yet charged it the evidence (your original challenge) doesn't exist. Ball--moved.

          4 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
        6. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @Goatstein @democracynow

          I did not say that. I said that since there isn't an indictment for an alleged conspiracy, then there must be evidence for an alleged conspiracy -- if the conspiracy actually happened, as you maintained. So I asked you for that evidence.pic.twitter.com/JkunDs4GxZ

          2 replies 2 retweets 29 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @aaronjmate @Goatstein @democracynow

          Aaron. Let's explain a little bit about prosecutions. Pro-se-cu-tions. They have to prepare for 6 week trials for things, including unreliable witnesses. As I've noted, you're inventing the Goldstone stuff. Maybe start there, w/what it actually says, like we already discussed?

          3 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
        8.  🤪 WokeWikidWizurd  🤯‏ @RamilioVerduzco Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate and

          God damn you pro-Russia-conspiracy people suck. You expect people to accept your assertions with no evidence and have a dumbass rant that says "just wait and see". Meanwhile real interference occurs elsewhere and no outage from you. You ridiculous people.

          1 reply 3 retweets 15 likes
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        2. Ombudsman4Truth‏ @ombudsman4truth Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate @democracynow

          I get that you think as soon as Don Jr hit send on "I love it" that was a Conspiracy. But surely you understand that what's been alleged by Democrats all along is an ACTUAL conspiracy in which they coordinated the hacking and disseminating of the DNC emails

          3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
        3. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns Aug 22
          Replying to @ombudsman4truth @emptywheel and

          Yes, they had to have an agreement to do something illegal. Jr agreeing to a meeting hoping to get documents harmful to Clinton is not illegal.

          3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        4. brian pillion‏ @anaphoristand Aug 23
          Replying to @briantcairns @ombudsman4truth and

          brian pillion Retweeted Morten Øverbye

          Except, yeah, it is. His simply agreeing to take that meeting already provides the legal elements of conspiracy. Especially in light of the prior Papadapolous context.https://twitter.com/morten/status/1032523317964681216 …

          brian pillion added,

          Morten ØverbyeVerified account @morten
          Replying to @realDonaldTrump
          June 3, 2016 Rob Goldstone emails Trump Jr. about meeting a Russian lawyer to discuss «very high level and sensitive information (..) part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump». «If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer,» Trump Jr. replied.
          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns Aug 23
          Replying to @anaphoristand @ombudsman4truth and

          Conspiracy to commit what crime?

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
          Replying to @briantcairns @anaphoristand and

          Still haven't actually read the public record, huh, Brian?

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        7. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns Aug 23
          Replying to @emptywheel @anaphoristand and

          What crime?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
          Replying to @briantcairns @anaphoristand and

          The crime of Internet trolling without doing basic homework first.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        9. Brian Cairns‏ @briantcairns Aug 23
          Replying to @emptywheel @anaphoristand and

          It's a simple question: what crime was committed by taking the meeting? It constituted a conspiracy to commit what?

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. MakhnovistInTheGutter‏ @joeydefiant Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate @democracynow

          How dare you even ask for proof! That makes you complicit in the "conspiracy" too!

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @joeydefiant @aaronjmate @democracynow

          I'm the one dealing with the public record. Aaron is ignoring records in the public record.

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        4. End of conversation
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        2. jack‏ @axre91a Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate @democracynow

          Don Jr conspired with a British music publicist who greatly misrepresented the role and research of Prevezon lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @axre91a @aaronjmate @democracynow

          You're making my arg abt why Aaron is taking the prosecutor's stance.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        4. jack‏ @axre91a Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate @democracynow

          I'm unsure what you're referring to. What prosecutor?

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. End of conversation

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