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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 22

      I learned so much about journalism from both watching & working at @democracynow for many years. So the Russiagate era has been perplexing. Here's @emptywheel asserting existence of a Trump-Russia "conspiracy" as established truth without any pushback: https://www.democracynow.org/2018/8/22/michael_cohen_pleads_guilty_implicates_trump …pic.twitter.com/HyH4z6j0w3

      38 replies 92 retweets 229 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
      Replying to @aaronjmate @democracynow

      Aaron: Even pretending you engage with the actual evidence rather than your cute caricature of it, do you know what is legally required for a conspiracy?

      4 replies 4 retweets 76 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
      Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate @democracynow

      Here's a hint: All that's required for a criminal conspiracy is in the public record. That's it!! But that would require you to become familiar with the public record.

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        2. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @democracynow

          Marcy -- I know you believe, also based on your own reporting, that there was a conspiracy. My point is that the adversarial show you were interviewed on didn't challenge you to substantiate your assertion of it. Had they, you could've cited the public record as you did here.

          3 replies 1 retweet 33 likes
        3. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 22
          Replying to @aaronjmate @emptywheel @democracynow

          but since you raise it -- you'll agree that there is no allegation of a Trump-Russia conspiracy in the public record (Mueller, court docs, etc). So where is the evidence for it?

          1 reply 3 retweets 37 likes
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @aaronjmate @democracynow

          There have been numerous allegations that are not *yet* charged. With the President's senile lawyer arguing that it shouldn't be charged bc Don Jr is just too dumb to know. But you are aligning yourself in the more senile than Rudy camp.

          9 replies 1 retweet 30 likes
        5. Goatstein‏ @Goatstein Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate @democracynow

          you're saying that there is evidence in the public record yet, but there might be later, which is the same as saying there is currently no evidence in the public record, yet you are asserting it as settled fact

          2 replies 2 retweets 23 likes
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @Goatstein @aaronjmate @democracynow

          No no no. Aaron started this by asking for evidence. I pointed to it. He THEN said, but there are no charges. He moved the ball, not me. Typical of his bad faith performance.

          2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
        7. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @Goatstein @democracynow

          That's not what happened. You cited the public record. I then said, since we "agree that there is no allegation of a Trump-Russia conspiracy in the public record... where is the evidence for it?" No ball moving, just ball locating!pic.twitter.com/k43b2CnYkc

          2 replies 2 retweets 28 likes
        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @aaronjmate @Goatstein @democracynow

          You mean something besides a criminal charge as an allegation? Bc I can point to a long list of allegations (indeed, this fight is over me making one!!!). What you did was say bc Mueller has not yet charged it the evidence (your original challenge) doesn't exist. Ball--moved.

          4 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
        9. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @Goatstein @democracynow

          I did not say that. I said that since there isn't an indictment for an alleged conspiracy, then there must be evidence for an alleged conspiracy -- if the conspiracy actually happened, as you maintained. So I asked you for that evidence.pic.twitter.com/JkunDs4GxZ

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        2. Jonathan Folland‏ @JonathanFolland Aug 23
          Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate @democracynow

          If it were in the public record, you could point it out; but you can't. You just keep going back to "it is in the public record".

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
          Replying to @JonathanFolland @aaronjmate @democracynow

          Aaron has been misstating what Goldstone said in the public record for weeks now. If he can't read a transcript--and you can't either--it's your shortcoming. I;m not here to teach you to read.

          1 reply 0 retweets 17 likes
        4. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 23
          Replying to @emptywheel @JonathanFolland @democracynow

          Don't understand why you're making a claim here that you can't possibly back up. Maybe you're confusing me w/ someone else.

          1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
          Replying to @aaronjmate @JonathanFolland @democracynow

          Aaron. You continue to misstate what Goldstone said. Yesterday you did. You did so two weeks ago. The only confusion here (or more likely bad faith) is you abt what you're talking abt AND not understanding you're making prosecutors' case.

          1 reply 0 retweets 14 likes
        6. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 23
          Replying to @emptywheel @JonathanFolland @democracynow

          What am I misstating? You've said that several times without specifying. What I also find strange is you claiming that I'm making "prosecutors' case" on Trump Tower when, as far we know, there is no actual case (unless you have secret info?).

          2 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
          Replying to @aaronjmate @JonathanFolland @democracynow

          On the prosecutor's case, I'm laughing at you bc you don't understand that the standard for conspiracy is what Junior agreed to, which is what was in that note. Mostly I'm just laughing that you don't understand the evidence.

          2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 23
          Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate and

          As to you repeatedly misstating what Goldstone said, when he was asked what the "bare facts" that Emin wanted him to include, he said "the bare facts: attorney, damaging information, Democrats, Hillary Clinton" (and implied that "helpful to the Trumps" would be in there too).

          2 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
        9. Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate Aug 23
          Replying to @emptywheel @JonathanFolland @democracynow

          Ok, & so not only not "repeatedly" but you won't find a single instance of me "misstating" that. In any event, if you think that's grounds for a conspiracy charge -- & worth laughing about that someone else doesn't agree -- then also ok. I have a different view.

          2 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
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        2. Jose X. Marx‏ @socialista_jose Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate @democracynow

          Are you some kind of gatekeeper? You have an opportunity to share your expertise. Maybe try teaching.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @socialista_jose @aaronjmate @democracynow

          Aaron is not interested. We've been at this for a very long time and he's beyond the pretense of good faith.

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        1. fromSeattle4now‏ @any1ofthe99 Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate @democracynow

          so, if it's public, share it here.

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