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    1. Jonathan H. Adler‏Verified account @jadler1969 Aug 22

      Paul Manafort is to Trump as Susan McDougal was to Bill Clinton. Fair comparison? (Clinton eventually pardoned McDougal.)

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    2. Prof. Garrett Epps‏ @Profepps Aug 22
      Replying to @jadler1969

      McDougal pleaded guilty?

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    3. Jonathan H. Adler‏Verified account @jadler1969 Aug 22
      Replying to @Profepps

      No, she was convicted of four counts in Whitewater. (Later held in contempt for refusing to testify before Starr grand jury.)

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
      Replying to @jadler1969 @Profepps

      Susan McDougal was Clinton's campaign manager and could implicate him in conspiring with Russia to win the election?

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        2. Jonathan H. Adler‏Verified account @jadler1969 Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @Profepps

          Susan McDougal could have implicated Clinton in Whitewater fraud & potential perjury (or so prosecutors believed). It's A:B::C:D not A=C or B=D.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @jadler1969 @Profepps

          Very dated fraud, right? So if Cohen were only offering up the money laundering Trump was engaged in in the late 1990s, that might be similar? But Manafort, on the other hand, solicited RU help for the campaign 2 years ago.

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        4. Jonathan H. Adler‏Verified account @jadler1969 Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @Profepps

          I don't think there's a Cohen analog without getting into fever swamp Mena airport crazypants stuff. Manafort charged with some pre-RU stuff too, and prosecutors believed McDougal could have implicated Clinton in WW as well as Starr Grand Jury.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @jadler1969 @Profepps

          Yes. But you're not describing any current crime of conspiring with a hostile foreign country w/Bill. My point being yes, they're prosecuting Manafort for conduct that goes back a year (all the while laying out the motive for why he asked RU for help) but 1/2

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        6. Jonathan H. Adler‏Verified account @jadler1969 Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @Profepps

          Again, my hypothesis is A:B::C:D. It is not that A=C or B=D. McDougal's conduct/crimes/etc are to Clinton's involvement as Manafort's conduct/crimes/etc are to Trump's conduct. The magnitude differences are built into the construction (assuming the parallel holds.

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 22
          Replying to @jadler1969 @Profepps

          I guess I'm suggesting the gravity of this investigation as compared to the WW one means the parallel doesn't hold.

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        8. Jonathan H. Adler‏Verified account @jadler1969 Aug 22
          Replying to @emptywheel @Profepps

          The whole point of the construction is that it accounts for that (assuming difference in gravity btwn McD and Manafort is equivalent to that btwn Clinton and Trump).

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