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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 20

    Reminder: There are 18 charges to deliberate over in the Paul Manafort case. There's a shit-ton of numbers involved, and some confusing legal issues.

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      1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 20

        No one outside the jury room knows one way or another how deliberations are going. But for now, assume good faith and diligence on the part of the jury, bc that's what usually happens. And bc this is not a simple case.

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      2. Kalle Anka‏ @rmo4lcit Aug 20
        Replying to @emptywheel

        How interlinked are the charges? For example, if the jury decides not guilty on 9, what happens with the other 9?

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 20
        Replying to @rmo4lcit

        This is generalizing, but think of it as three groups: Tax cheat (not reporting income), foreign & domestic FBAR (not reporting foreign income) Bank fraud While the FBAR relates to the tax cheat ones, they add some technicalities.

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      4. RS22‏ @OllieWH22 Aug 20
        Replying to @emptywheel @rmo4lcit

        Correct. Tax fraud is counts 1-5 (1 per yr, 2010-2014). FBAR is counts 11-14 (1 per yr, 2011-2014). Bank fraud is counts 24-32, involving 5 different loans. Bank fraud counts are least interrelated b/c each loan is diff set of facts. Missing counts are Gates'.

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      5. RS22‏ @OllieWH22 Aug 20
        Replying to @OllieWH22 @emptywheel @rmo4lcit

        4 of the 5 acts of bank fraud involves a count for conspiring and a count for executing. 1 involves a count only for conspiring.

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      2. Artorius‏ @Artorius518 Aug 20
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Long ago, I was a jury foreman on a Federal fraud, money laundering, and conspiracy trial with five defendants & five charges per defendant. Each defendant & charge received careful consideration. It took us several days. I think the lawyers were going crazy.

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      3. Lori Fryd‏ @lorifryd Aug 20
        Replying to @Artorius518 @emptywheel

        Thanks....by the way, what was the verdict in your case?

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      4. Artorius‏ @Artorius518 Aug 20
        Replying to @lorifryd @emptywheel

        Split verdict. I think there were about 19 guilty and 6 not-guilty. Every defendant was found guilty of at least two crimes.

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      2. Jack Jagla‏ @Jackyjags Aug 20
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Paul Manafort looks like bank fraud incarnate, let's be honest:pic.twitter.com/yKREoBZGEK

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      4. Nosferatu V. Karenina‏ @NosferatuVK Aug 20
        Replying to @ToreSays @Jackyjags @emptywheel

        Tip of the iceberg

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      2. airardfitz‏ @airardfitz Aug 20
        Replying to @emptywheel

        The wheels of justice churn slowly sometimes. It's gonna be a'ight, boos. #ManafortTrialpic.twitter.com/0MPwp6rtZ7

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      3. J.P.Quixote #RealMenStandWithWomen #Indestructible‏ @JP_Quixote Aug 20
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        pic.twitter.com/DZzxgZSb1v

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      2. PollMuncher‏ @PollMuncher Aug 20
        Replying to @emptywheel

        There’s also a good chance there’s one diehard trumpkin on a panel of 12 people

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Barnette Lloyd‏ @Gabe203 Aug 20
        Replying to @PollMuncher @emptywheel

        Not IMO. If 11 jurors were butting heads with a hardcore Trumper after 3 days of deliberations....encountering "not guilty" at every turn, the judge would be getting notes and/or tons of questions. Since the first day's questions, we have heard nothing. Bad sign for manafort

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      1. K Jackson‏ @KJackottawa Aug 20
        Replying to @emptywheel @KushyKandy95

        I'm still putting needles in my voodoo Cheeto. Every little bit helps.

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      2. Cynthia Perkins‏ @CindyLooHooTwo Aug 20
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Matching documents to each of the indictments as they deliberate, perhaps? That would take time

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      3.  🦋EFFIE 🦋‏ @MissyHymel Aug 20
        Replying to @CindyLooHooTwo @emptywheel

        Exactly recall they asked for copy of indictment bc they weren’t shown the exhibits during trial

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      2. Darkest Timeline‏ @girlypoem Aug 20
        Replying to @emptywheel

        How much of a meltdown should i be having right now?

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      3. djkocisi politics‏ @djkocisi2 Aug 20
        Replying to @girlypoem @emptywheel

        None. This case is rock solid. It’s plausible that a few (2-4) of the 18 total charges get dropped on technical grounds but that’s it. He’s in a bad spot.

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      4. Darkest Timeline‏ @girlypoem Aug 20
        Replying to @djkocisi2 @emptywheel

        Okay thank you. Ill keep it together one more day!

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      5. djkocisi politics‏ @djkocisi2 Aug 20
        Replying to @girlypoem @emptywheel

        Reading bt the lines: despite Trumps rhetoric that the US judicial system is filled with political hacks, seeing how studious the Manafort jurors are being should give Americans faith that the legal system is still robust and held to high standards. Even scum deserve due process.

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      6. Peacock Johnson‏ @PeacockJohnson Aug 20
        Replying to @djkocisi2 @girlypoem @emptywheel

        I reckon it's one Trump supporter fighting with everyone else, all day long.

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