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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 18

      emptywheel Retweeted Jason Leopold

      This piece is (searching for the word) funny. It confuses WHCO with personal lawyer. It doesn't mention that one thing McGahn produced (Flynn report) was badly misleading. It uses the word "cooperate" in a misleading way. It continues to treat obstruction as only investigation.https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1030879950872576001 …

      emptywheel added,

      Jason LeopoldVerified account @JasonLeopold
      White House Counsel Has Cooperated Extensively With Mueller’s Obstruction Inquiry https://nyti.ms/2ONyPWZ 
      40 replies 318 retweets 668 likes
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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 18

      Also, people need to stop repeating Rudy G's canard that Trump's criminal behavior would only be spelled out in a report to Congress.pic.twitter.com/lIUPaG1nXP

      14 replies 76 retweets 248 likes
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    3. Andrew Thomas Wiggin‏ @EnderFPE Aug 18
      Replying to @emptywheel @MrJonCryer

      This statement, believe it or not, is factual. Meuller's job is to collect evidence, he does not necessarily have the duty or authority to charge Trump himself. He would certainly expect congress to push for charges under Rosenstein.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 18
      Replying to @EnderFPE @MrJonCryer

      NO ITS NOT FACTUAL.

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. Andrew Thomas Wiggin‏ @EnderFPE Aug 18
      Replying to @emptywheel @MrJonCryer

      Would you like to back up your statement with some facts of your own, or at least an argument of some kind? Meuller is an investigator. He will present his evidence to his boss and to Congress. He is very unlikely to file charges levied against the POTUS himself.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Vengeful Librarian‏ @vengeful_librar Aug 18
      Replying to @EnderFPE @emptywheel @MrJonCryer

      Mueller is a prosecutor, not merely an investigator. And she's been making the argument for months. Trump can and likely will appear in one or more indictments as an unindicted co-conspirator.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Andrew Thomas Wiggin‏ @EnderFPE Aug 18
      Replying to @vengeful_librar @emptywheel @MrJonCryer

      This is probably true. But Mueller will allow Congress to file these charges. Just like every other investigator that found misdeeds in a president's actions. Mueller does not have impeachment powers, Congress does. The laws allowing him to indict a POTUS are murky at best.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Vengeful Librarian‏ @vengeful_librar Aug 18
      Replying to @EnderFPE @emptywheel @MrJonCryer

      OK, so you concede Marcy's point but then go on to argue she's wrong because stuff she never claimed would happen can't happen. Got it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Andrew Thomas Wiggin‏ @EnderFPE Aug 18
      Replying to @vengeful_librar @emptywheel @MrJonCryer

      What? I never made such s claim. I simply pointed out that Giuliani is correct in stating that Mueller will likely not be the one to file direct charges against the POTUS. He will leave that honor to the only organization with the authority to impeach.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 18
      Replying to @EnderFPE @vengeful_librar @MrJonCryer

      That's not what Giuliani says, and not what you claimed was a factual statement, which is where you went off the rails. Giuliani says the way Congress will get this will be from a report.

      1:02 PM - 18 Aug 2018
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        2. Andrew Thomas Wiggin‏ @EnderFPE Aug 18
          Replying to @emptywheel @vengeful_librar @MrJonCryer

          In not sure where you got lost in my comments. I've been saying this the whole time. Congress will get any and all evidence against Trump as a REPORT from Mueller's team. Not from a news report. That's nonsense. Mueller himself will not press charges against a sitting POTUS.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 18
          Replying to @EnderFPE @vengeful_librar @MrJonCryer

          I'm not lost. You are. Congress will get indictments laying out what Male 1 or Unindicted Co-Conspirator 1 did. When people talk about reports, like you insist on, they swallow Rudy's PR that there will be no conspiracy indictment.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        4. Andrew Thomas Wiggin‏ @EnderFPE Aug 18
          Replying to @emptywheel @vengeful_librar @MrJonCryer

          I don't think you know what an indictment is. Mueller's job is to report his findings to Rosenstien and Rosenstien will submit said report to Congress. Indictments are handed down to the players, not the POTUS. To hell with Giuliani's PR.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Kermit‏ @KermitFee Aug 18
          Replying to @EnderFPE @emptywheel and

          Nixon was included as a co-conspirator in an indictment but not himself indicted. Congress then started working toward impeachment.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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