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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 18

    emptywheel Retweeted Techno Fog

    This is a 12-tweet thread suggesting the LEFT will harass jurors in a case where both the accused and the man he is protecting by not pleading have tampered with witnesses. The bankruptcy of the beyond-giving-a-shit-about-self-respect right wing, ladies and gentlemen.https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1030623550158368768 …

    emptywheel added,

    Techno Fog @Techno_Fog
    An editorial on all this... This motion to obtain juror names and addresses DURING DELIBERATION send a message to the jury: Think about what you're doing because we'll show up at your home, at your school, at your place of work to make you answer for what you did.
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    6:07 AM - 18 Aug 2018
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    • Eliza Heins Grave Robber —t York Norah Burden John Levenstein Melissa Mann JES The unified self is just my MacGuffin. TM Sajizzle
    14 replies 96 retweets 366 likes
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      2. insunlite‏ @insunlite Aug 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Can you explain the media’s need to know juror names and addresses? Is this a normal request?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 18
        Replying to @insunlite

        Completely. The media likes to talk to jurors after the verdict to learn why they decided in the way they did. Where there names aren't released indiv jurors may come forward, but they often self-select to spin the deliberations.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 18
        Replying to @emptywheel @insunlite

        It's especially important in a case like this where there's real reason to worry about jury tampering.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      5. insunlite‏ @insunlite Aug 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        For illustrative purposes only, what will life look like for the individuals once the media has the names/addresses? An phone call?An unannounced visit? What if a juror or jurors declines to speak with media? Would the assumption be he/she was tampered with?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 18
        Replying to @insunlite

        Both, yes. If a juror declines to speak, no assumption (often the default). You learn about tampering as much from other jurors as anything else. But tampered w/jurors may be most anxious to speak.

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      2. Jay Miller‏ @j24miller Aug 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        It appears to me that you retweeted a Trumpist/InfoWars shill account. Is that what you had intended to do?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 18
        Replying to @j24miller

        I intended to point out that that shill account didn't understand the risk here.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Karen Leavitt‏ @kleavitt Aug 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I am not even close to being a lawyer, so lawyers, please help. It sounds to me as if the media lawyer is trying to get the judge to explicitly state for the record that the jurors could be in jeopardy. I.e., not so much to lift secrecy, but to ensure protection.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 18
        Replying to @kleavitt

        I don't have transcript but I imagine he was actually trying to get something to appeal.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Karen Leavitt‏ @kleavitt Aug 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I’m just going from snippets of transcript in thread you attached.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Karen Leavitt‏ @kleavitt Aug 18
        Replying to @kleavitt @emptywheel

        (So a highly leveraged interpretation by an unqualified commenter here)

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      6. End of conversation
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      2. RonG‏ @OldGent46 Aug 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        When it comes to the GOP, I've learned to hear their rhetoric but then look at them for the violations they suggest of others. It has worked out that way. They commit the issue but then spin it onto others.

        1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
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      2. Drew‏ @MrDruCartier Aug 18
        Replying to @emptywheel

        The jurors are having a great time “having birthday parties”. Trying to understand what’s the hold up..? The wanted graphs and the story board..? Were they not paying attention

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. jdkahler‏ @jdkahler Aug 18
        Replying to @MrDruCartier @emptywheel

        Judge made clear when jury asked questions that they had to depend on what they heard. Which is what they’re told day one. Lots of courts to not allow note taking, in this case they could.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Drew‏ @MrDruCartier Aug 18
        Replying to @jdkahler @emptywheel

        I know.. I know... but to be frank.. this is a slam dunk case what’s with the extra deliberation

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. jdkahler‏ @jdkahler Aug 18
        Replying to @MrDruCartier @emptywheel

        Complexity? And the judge hasn’t helped with his prodding. Apologizing for what he said to prosecution has to have confused st least one juror.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
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      1.  🌟Imjustnutz 🌟‏ @imjustnutz Aug 18
        Replying to @emptywheel @brianbeutler

        This jury should have been SEQUESTERED!!

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