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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 12

      BREAKING: Steny Hoyer is 79. But no one is talking about that.

      41 replies 203 retweets 981 likes
    2. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 12
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 Retweeted emptywheel

      BREAKING QUESTION: Is anyone seriously talking about Hoyer becoming the Dem Leader/Speaker next January?https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1028655955377045505 …

      Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 added,

      emptywheel @emptywheel
      BREAKING: Steny Hoyer is 79. But no one is talking about that.
      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 12
      Replying to @KDbyProxy

      To the extent that they want Pelosi to vacate her position w/o discussion about putting someone new in there, absolutely.

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
    4. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 12
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Afaik, "to the extent" = 0. Is there another heir-apparent? No. But I don't care how good a Leader/Speaker Hoyer would be, NO Dem is saying the next person should be a 79-year-old old white guy.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 12
      Replying to @KDbyProxy

      My larger point was that people don't talk about septuagenarian (or even octogenarian) men in efforts to get them to step aside. Only septuagenarian women.

      10:14 AM - 12 Aug 2018
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        2. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 12
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Yes they do. Hatch & Grassley come to mind. Also, when you're the House leader of one party while POTUS is of the other party, that other party makes you the Poster Person of your party, with all sorts of (alleged) attributes attached.

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        3. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 12
          Replying to @KDbyProxy @emptywheel

          And let's not overlook the fact that one of those implicitly calling for Pelosi to step aside is AOC (and I say "implicitly" b/c she's pointedly refused to say she'd vote for Pelosi).

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Bob Lynch‏ @LynchpinL Aug 12
          Replying to @KDbyProxy @emptywheel

          Nobody is talking about Hoyer for Speaker. Nobody. Despite it being an open secret that Nancy and Steny loath each other, if she goes, he will lose his power too.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 12
          Replying to @LynchpinL @emptywheel

          Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 Retweeted Bob Lynch

          About Hoyer? Exactly. Which is my point. B/c show me the last time the #1 Dem stepped down & wasn't replaced by the #2. Whenever that last time was (if ever), it was more than 60 yrs ago. So IOW, it seems Hoyer has no shot b/c he's a #male septuagenarian.😲https://twitter.com/LynchpinL/status/1028700468493438977 …

          Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 added,

          Bob Lynch @LynchpinL
          Replying to @KDbyProxy @emptywheel
          Nobody is talking about Hoyer for Speaker. Nobody. Despite it being an open secret that Nancy and Steny loath each other, if she goes, he will lose his power too.
          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. Bob Lynch‏ @LynchpinL Aug 12
          Replying to @KDbyProxy @emptywheel

          I’m on your side. Also the number three just got primaried by a 28 year old bartender.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. Steve Timmer‏ @stevetimmer Aug 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @StribGuy @KDbyProxy

          As a nearly septuagenarian man, I can tell you this is not completely true.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. John Reinan‏ @StribGuy Aug 12
          Replying to @stevetimmer @emptywheel @KDbyProxy

          In the private sector, no doubt. But in politics, I think the point is correct. I covered Strom Thurmond's run for Senate at age 94.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 12
          Replying to @StribGuy @stevetimmer @emptywheel

          Different era. You don't hear calls for Grassley to step aside b/c of his age? And (b4 he announced his retirement) Hatch? As for Thurmond, that was a campaign issue, not a leadership issue; ie, if Pelosi's constituents don't care about her age, fine for them, but this is diff.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. InmanRoshi‏ @InmanRoshi Aug 12
          Replying to @KDbyProxy @StribGuy and

          The fact that the two consensus front-runners for the 2020 Dem Primary are Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden would indicate this era really isn't that different.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 12
          Replying to @InmanRoshi @StribGuy and

          Fair. FTR, Thurmond was 93 when he ran and won reelection in 1996

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        1. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 12
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 Retweeted Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆

          FYI, for some House context...https://twitter.com/KDbyProxy/status/1028769864817758208 …

          Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 added,

          Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 @KDbyProxy
          FUN FACT: Over the past 40+ years, every man who served as House Minority Leader, Majority Leader, or Speaker left office before the age of 75 – either by retirement, losing reelection, or being forced out by his own party. 🤔 pic.twitter.com/eAGyz6idCY
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        1. Lefty  🍋 Lemon‏ @LemonyLeftist Aug 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @KDbyProxy

          Fine. But ALL of the stale ass Dem leadership needs to go.

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        2. JohnCammo‏ @JohnCammo Aug 13
          Replying to @emptywheel @KDbyProxy

          The failure of our political culture to appreciate the skills of women like Pelosi and Feinstein is very depressing.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Justin‏ @LiberalJustin Aug 13
          Replying to @JohnCammo @emptywheel @KDbyProxy

          I'd appreciate them if they didn't vote like Republicans. Both Pelosi and Feinstein approved a 717 billion military spending bill that the GOP and other Congress Dems backed.https://youtu.be/NqR5rSIW-h8 

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        4. JohnCammo‏ @JohnCammo Aug 13
          Replying to @LiberalJustin @emptywheel

          I'm not talking about the politics of their votes, but of their skills as political leaders over decades.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        1. Jeff Schwarz‏ @jeffaschwarz Aug 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @KDbyProxy

          This, even though women live longer

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        1. David Bailey‏ @drgdave Aug 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @digby56 @KDbyProxy

          I believe you're right. FWIW, I personally hope that Hillary, Biden and Bernie all decide not to run in 2020. Let's keep it to folks who will be younger than 70 on January 20, 2021.

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        1. marcsobel‏ @marcsobel Aug 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @digby56 @KDbyProxy

          Well, it is scientific fact that ... oops.

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        1. Terry Banet‏ @tebsf Aug 12
          Replying to @emptywheel @KDbyProxy

          Exactly.

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