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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 9

      Fwiw I don’t think the Mueller subpoena for Trump comes next. I think an indictment comes first. Suspect there are a few more pieces for that, but not many.

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 9

      Also please please please stop with this “can’t indict during election season” bullshit. Name one person being targeted here (with the possible exception of Rohrabacher) who is on the ballot? Manafort? Nope Don Jr? Nope Roger Stone? Nope

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    3. Tom Maguire‏ @Tom_Maguire Aug 9
      Replying to @emptywheel

      The unwritten rule is to avoid high political impact, not to avoid actual candidates. Lawfare Blog got into this. The indictment by Walsh of ex SecDef Weinberger the weekend before the 1992 Presidential election is a classic instance of the controversy. https://www.lawfareblog.com/norms-and-unwritten-rules-facing-special-counsel-trump-presidency …pic.twitter.com/RwJ0oJTXdH

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    4. Tom Maguire‏ @Tom_Maguire Aug 9
      Replying to @Tom_Maguire @emptywheel

      But what is political impact anyway? TIME is much closer to Marcy, saying fringier folks like Manafort on taxes probably shouldn't count. But a close Trump associate with allegations implicating Trump? Problematic, they say. So Stone, Jr.?pic.twitter.com/G4ouwAFKIm

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 9
      Replying to @Tom_Maguire

      Trump's on the ballot?

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    6. Tom Maguire‏ @Tom_Maguire Aug 9
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Upon booth review I see I may have misunderstood your point. Obviously Trump is not on the ballot. But one or two political observers think this election will be in part a referendum on Trump. If DoJ norms preclude muddying elections nationwide, they'll want to steer clear.pic.twitter.com/6ADt0dYeE8

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 9
      Replying to @Tom_Maguire

      Bollocks. Trump will always be "on the ballot." That logic would say there's never a time he can legally be held accountable.

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    8. Tom Maguire‏ @Tom_Maguire Aug 9
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Well, "close to the election" is the other criteria. A dramatic move in late November will surely resonate in 2020 elections, but time wounds all heels. FWIW, how we got here: Walsh tacked on to his June indictment of Weinberger in Oct '92. Dismissed.https://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/12/us/charge-in-weinberger-case-that-caused-furor-before-election-is-thrown-out.html …

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 9
      Replying to @Tom_Maguire

      Hmmm. Let's see. That's an election where the target WAS ON THE BALLOT.

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        2. Tom Maguire‏ @Tom_Maguire Aug 9
          Replying to @emptywheel

          The target was Weinberger, but he'd been indicted in June. The inclusion of a quote implicating Bush close to the election was problematic. I have yet to see a think piece about DoJ norms suggesting Mueller can't act after the election. Just not close to Nov 2018 or Nov 2020.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 9
          Replying to @Tom_Maguire

          And you've also seen some claims Mueller can't indict close to NOv 2018 that rely entirely on Rudy G's utter drivel and are now treating it as credible. It's not.

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        4. Tom Maguire‏ @Tom_Maguire Aug 9
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Two different issues. Can Mueller indict at all? Untested, controversial and contrary to OLC positions on Nixon, Clinton. As to "close to an election", I offered TIME, Lawfare, can easily find many more. A Biden staffer/Clinton WH counsel/anti-Trumper: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/05/21/3-predictions-for-what-mueller-will-do-next-218410 …pic.twitter.com/2CDzis4mLY

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        5. Tom Maguire‏ @Tom_Maguire Aug 9
          Replying to @Tom_Maguire @emptywheel

          I may as well add a bit on "Giuliani's drivel". This Savage piece from 2017 covers the waterfront. (Don't stop reading at the headline. The new memo differs from two OLCs) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/us/politics/can-president-be-indicted-kenneth-starr-memo.html …pic.twitter.com/E9qzLOJ1vN

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