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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 6

    emptywheel Retweeted Michael Brennan

    Me too. Consumer Reports doing security and privacy is the coolest thing.https://twitter.com/brennan_mike/status/1026471426373677058 …

    emptywheel added,

    Michael Brennan @brennan_mike
    For the first time, @ConsumerReports is putting their new digital standard to work testing digital consumer products for security and privacy. This is a big deal. Consumer Reports helped us get seatbelts. What can they do in tech? Thrilled that @FordFoundation supports this work. https://twitter.com/ConsumerReports/status/1026409022470217728 …
    5:50 PM - 6 Aug 2018
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      2. Lemon Slayer‏ @LemonSlayerUS Aug 6
        Replying to @emptywheel

        While I do agree with you that this is a good thing, I imagine that they'll find security & privacy failure is the norm, and extremely rare any exception.

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      3.  🌎 Infogarden  🛸‏ @liberty_42 Aug 6
        Replying to @LemonSlayerUS @emptywheel

        Legal changes will be needed if they're to do much without consent of their target Even with consent, 3rd party ip etc could be problematic Some primary statute to allow red teaming, require red teamers to register every Operation with a Federal body - would be good

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      4. Lemon Slayer‏ @LemonSlayerUS Aug 6
        Replying to @liberty_42 @emptywheel

        Not sure I'm following this. Why would legal changes be needed? Consumer Reports on other areas of product flaws & failures didn't need this, so why would security & privacy failures of digital products be any different?

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      5.  🌎 Infogarden  🛸‏ @liberty_42 Aug 6
        Replying to @LemonSlayerUS @emptywheel

        Well they say <Ratings are based on analyses of operations and data policies> Maybe I am misreading, but I assume analyses of operations, includes things like penetration testing ? Or are their ratings predicated on just the operating manual, policies etc ?

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      6. Lemon Slayer‏ @LemonSlayerUS Aug 6
        Replying to @liberty_42 @emptywheel

        I agree that they'd have to do penetration testing (i.e. White/Black Hat hacking) if they were to actually rate digital product security & privacy, but I'm not sure why that would necessitate new laws. Of course, if it is the case that all hacking is by definition illegal...

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      7.  🌎 Infogarden  🛸‏ @liberty_42 Aug 6
        Replying to @LemonSlayerUS @emptywheel

        Yes, the TOS alone tend to be quite restrictive, ditto laws around IP & hacking A lot of civil & criminal liability can result from reverse engineering , penetration testing etc & then the 3rd party elements, e.g. App testing - would break IoS or Android TOS

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      8. Lemon Slayer‏ @LemonSlayerUS Aug 6
        Replying to @liberty_42 @emptywheel

        Shorter digital product TOS: "Any attempt to identify our security & privacy flaws is verboten!" Why am I not surprised? :-)

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9.  🌎 Infogarden  🛸‏ @liberty_42 Aug 6
        Replying to @LemonSlayerUS @emptywheel

        Yes, that's the way I see it :-(

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      1. RLJEight‏ @RLJEight Aug 6
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Can we have them review our politicians?

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      1. Terry Banet‏ @tebsf Aug 6
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I like that someone’s doing more to make the info public but they aren’t very good at reviewing tech gadgets. I hope they hire well for this.

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      1. Life Coach Killer‏ @GuadalahonkyToo Aug 6
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        Can Consumer Reports test the reliability of American election voting?

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