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    1. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 6

      Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 Retweeted Philip Bump

      Good article, but 2 problems w/ @pbump's analysis: 1) How does USG prove Trump campaign would not have paid for the dirt if RU #lawyer had delivered some. 2) How is it illegal for a Russian to give free info to Trump campaign in NY but legal to give free info to Steele in Moscow?https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1026540872257527809 …

      Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 added,

      Philip BumpVerified account @pbump
      Why the Trump Tower meeting was legally iffy but the Steele dossier likely wasn't. https://wapo.st/2LWwqfG 
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      3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 6
      Replying to @KDbyProxy @pbump

      On 1), that's why I think you get into ConFraudUs, not just accepting things of value. On 2) the question isn't whether Steele is exposed (moreover, he never left London--he used cut-outs). It's whether Hillary is.

      4 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 6
      Replying to @emptywheel @pbump

      Agree on #1; I was focusing on what Bump wrote re camp fin laws. As for #2, absolutely. It's the cutout (or cut-out) issue, and the question is re liability of HRC's campaign & its people. A gives X to B – Illegal – yet – A gives X to C who gives it D who gives it to B – Legal?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 6
      Replying to @KDbyProxy @pbump

      You have to add in $ signs to make it clear Hillary paid and Trump did not.

      1:28 PM - 6 Aug 2018
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        2. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 6
          Replying to @emptywheel @pbump

          Hillary paid Steele. But Hillary did not pay whoever Steele's analog was to Trump's Natalia Veselnitskaya. Say FSB has a rpt, "Dirt on Trump". 1) HRC camp accepts free copy from a RU "agent". Illegal b/c CF law. 2) Steele gets free copy via a contact, sends to HRC camp. Legal?

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Ruthie!‏ @RMMichaels Aug 6
          Replying to @KDbyProxy @emptywheel @pbump

          Hillary's campaign paid a law firm, that paid another firm, that paid an independent contractor to investigate Trump's financial dealings with Russia. Jr solicited help from representatives of a foreign govt for illegally obtained materials belonging to HRC'S campaign.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 6
          Replying to @RMMichaels @emptywheel

          Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 Retweeted Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆

          FYI/FWIW...https://twitter.com/KDbyProxy/status/1026570793860386817 …

          Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 added,

          Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆 @KDbyProxy
          Replying to @HollyCareBear @pbump
          Interesting question. Thing is, I'm focusing on what the various laws mean in various fact situations. Ie, using "hypos". Here, I'm not defending or attacking Trump or Clinton. So... \_(?)_/
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        2. Eric Columbus‏Verified account @EricColumbus Aug 6
          Replying to @emptywheel @KDbyProxy @pbump

          Exactly — it’s legal under campaign finance laws for a campaign to pay for dirt from foreign sources. If you pay for it, you’re not being gifted a thing of value.

          2 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
        3. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 6
          Replying to @EricColumbus @emptywheel @pbump

          But didn't Steele get his info from an analog to Trump's Natalia Veselnitskaya? If that person wasn't paid, how is it different?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 6
          Replying to @KDbyProxy @EricColumbus @pbump

          Trump's sub-sources were paid.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        5. Eric Columbus‏Verified account @EricColumbus Aug 6
          Replying to @emptywheel @KDbyProxy @pbump

          Do you mean Steele’s not Trump’s?

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 6
          Replying to @EricColumbus @KDbyProxy @pbump

          Yes. I did. Thanks.

          2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
        7. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 6
          Replying to @emptywheel @EricColumbus @pbump

          Tbc, I get that Steele sub-contracted other people to gather info. But if any of the sub-sub-sub-sub sources were foreign nationals, provided a "thing of value", but weren't paid, I still see a paradox(?) here if the simple fact that all the ppl upstream were paid makes this OK.

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 6
          Replying to @KDbyProxy @EricColumbus @pbump

          That doesn't make sense. What matters is that Hillary didn't get it for free.

          2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
        9. Ira Goldman  🦆 🦆 🦆‏ @KDbyProxy Aug 6
          Replying to @emptywheel @EricColumbus @pbump

          No. What matters is that any1 who provides a "thing of value" is fully compensated. Or, it shd. Otherwise, a foreign power/person need only slip a valuable dirt report to an outside contractor doing oppo research & as long as that contractor is paid per contract… It's all good?!

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