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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 1

    emptywheel Retweeted Jim Sciutto

    Uh. Better fact checks please. The RU investigation is not based on Steele dossier. But CI investigation into Trump campaign DID post-date earliest reports from Steele (which hadn't been shared w/FBI yet).https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1024713463304740865 …

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    Jim SciuttoVerified account @jimsciutto
    That was an abjectly false statement by @PressSec. The Russia investigation was NOT based on the Steele dossier and, in fact, began BEFORE it. Specifically, when Trump campaign aide Papadopoulos bragged to Australian diplomat about Russia offering campaign help.
    11:28 AM - 1 Aug 2018
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    • runtodaylight Sheila Decker Adrian 'Wet in Terms of Water' Wapcaplet AHeintz Ronda Platt Ray Radlein Windhorse noway yahrite Yellow🐕Dem🌊🌊🌊
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      1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 1

        Say! Did you notice that the GRU indictment came from Mueller? That investigation started when DNC told FBI they got hacked (before BOTH Steele's first report AND Oz' report on Papadopoulos to FBI). That got moved under Mueller later.

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      2. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes Aug 1
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Early reports != dossier.

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 1
        Replying to @clifford_banes

        Hi. Please don't litter my timeline with idiocy about the dossier.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes Aug 1
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I'm not littering your timeline with anything, just pointing out that Steele's early reports are not "the dossier", even if they were later included in it. Your nitpick is weird.

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 1
        Replying to @clifford_banes

        The dossier is a series of reports. They were briefed as reports to FBI. My nitpick is correct, and yours is factually not.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes Aug 1
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Papadopolous bragging happened a month before Steele's first report, as you know. That FBI heard about it after Steele's first report is a rather arbitrary way to debunk "began before". But I'll leave your timeline and your ego alone.

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      7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 1
        Replying to @clifford_banes

        Hi. Do you know how the FBI works? THey open investigations formally. Which means they can be traced to a date in time and predicating evidence. The DATE that the investigation was opened post-dated the DATE the dossier started. Sciutto's was an inaccurate tweet.

        1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
      8. Sam  🇪🇪‏ @clifford_banes Aug 1
        Replying to @emptywheel

        [Passive aggressive feigned politeness] The investigation started based on a tip about an event that happened before Steele's first report. That was the point being made - there are two chains of causality and the Papadopoulos one existed before the Steele one.

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      9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 1
        Replying to @clifford_banes

        Huh. And yet that's not what the tweet said, so by your own description it is factually false, which was my point. Thanks for proving yourself wrong! Next time try to do it w/o my wasting my time.

        0 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
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      2. Armando‏ @armandodkos Aug 1
        Replying to @emptywheel @Radlein

        I don’t get this tweet

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 1
        Replying to @armandodkos @Radlein

        Sciutto claims to be fact-checking Sanders but his tweet is actually factually wrong.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. Armando‏ @armandodkos Aug 1
        Replying to @emptywheel @Radlein

        Incomplete but not wrong no?

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 1
        Replying to @armandodkos @Radlein

        No. 100% factually wrong.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 1
        Replying to @emptywheel @armandodkos @Radlein

        THe correct way to discuss it is when the people at FBI who opened the investigation RECEIVED certain information.

        2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
      7. Armando‏ @armandodkos Aug 1
        Replying to @emptywheel @Radlein

        Got it. Thanks.

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      2. Sajizzle‏ @Sajizzle Aug 1
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Is that distinction important?

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      3. GS‏ @GusSawchuk Aug 1
        Replying to @Sajizzle @emptywheel

        Not really. I think it's more important to point out that it didn't really begin with Papadopoulos, it began when we started getting intel from our allies about the Trump campaign's contacts with Russians. But Sciutto's point is essentially correct.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia?CMP=twt_gu …

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      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Aug 1
        Replying to @GusSawchuk @Sajizzle

        The distinction is important bc if you're going to fact check someone you had better actually get facts correct or you'll make it easier to scream FAKE NEWS.

        0 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
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      1. Anne E. Clark‏ @knitsannechains Aug 1
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Proving, again, that the WH podium is where lies are told and manipulations are acted out to the America people. They won't stop doing it because they're convinced the more they say something the more true it becomes.

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