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    1. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative Jul 24

      A point I gesture at here but don’t really get into: The structure of the redacted Page application suggests one way FBI may have tried to bolster their case beyond the Steele reporting.https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/24/opinion/trump-carter-page-fisa-application.html …

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    2. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative Jul 24

      There’s a whole section in the application on Page’s public denials of collaboration with Russia in response to press reports he was under suspicion. The last several pages of that section are completely redacted.

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    3. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative Jul 24

      Obviously, if the rest of the section only contained more of Page’s public denials, there would be no basis for redacting it. So it must contain other substantial non-public information related to thise denials.

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    4. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative Jul 24

      The obvious thing would be: Information independent of Steele that contradicted factual statements Page had made in his denials. Showing Page had lied about some relevant conduct would, while not dispositive in isolation, tend to strongly bolster the broader case.

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    5. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings Jul 24
      Replying to @normative

      From the Democrat response to Nunes memo:pic.twitter.com/fdOd40cnwG

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 24
      Replying to @pwnallthethings @normative

      This is related. https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/07/24/denial-and-deception-did-trump-really-hire-and-fire-the-russian-assets-on-his-campaign/ …

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 24
      Replying to @emptywheel @pwnallthethings @normative

      Also, this is not just ELSUR. Also, they application has to prove Page was acting clandestinely.

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        2. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings Jul 24
          Replying to @emptywheel @normative

          Maybe. But they wouldn't need to show that if they can show if (a) Russia does clandestine activities (obv) and (b) Page "knowingly conspired with someone doing those clandestine activities"

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        3. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings Jul 24
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          I.e. the language "conspiring" only exists for the final clause of 1801(b)(2)(E) which only requires knowingly conspiring with people acting clandestinely, not that he act clandestinely himself in doing so.pic.twitter.com/mo8v7tNDo4

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 24
          Replying to @pwnallthethings @normative

          And how would his publicly reported meetings in RU being knowingly conspiring with people acting clandestinely? I'm not the only one saying this--so were leakers who've read the section.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 24
          Replying to @emptywheel @pwnallthethings @normative

          Moreover, why does it matter, at all, that the campaign is disavowing Page if they're not looking at hiding their own activity? They're not being targeted.

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        6. P̵̛wn̷̕̕ A̶͡ll͜͝͝ T̡̛̕h̷̶̀͠͡e̷̵̶̷ T̵͜͢h̸̸́͟i̕ng͝s͡‏ @pwnallthethings Jul 24
          Replying to @emptywheel @normative

          I read section IV as bringing to the court's attention all the facts that counterweight the FBI's argument. There are three public ones: * Yahoo article w highlights that campaign claims Page was a nobody * Page's denial letter * Another article where Page says claims are garbage

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 24
          Replying to @pwnallthethings @normative

          I know you read it that way. It's a misreading of the Yahoo article (particularly the part that uses anonymous sourcing to talk about worries about this), and what people who've read the section the Yahoo letter is in there for.

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        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 24
          Replying to @emptywheel @pwnallthethings @normative

          I get that you have it in your head that they must have included a separate exonerating section, but your argument here doesn't make any sense, bc that section doesn't do that, even if they would have one in an affy, which I've never ever seen.

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        9. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative Jul 24
          Replying to @emptywheel @pwnallthethings

          Well, split the difference: I would expect them to bring to the court’s attention the fact that Page had disputed the claims. But the section is titled “Page’s public denials,” and the redacted half page at the end of it has to be something other than a further public denial.

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        1. Berean‏ @hotwirefences Jul 24
          Replying to @emptywheel @pwnallthethings @normative

          Every time Page is on, that I’ve see, he always refers to the BBG and how it’s US state propaganda and to me that seems like a pretty obvious Russia talking point. Is there anything to that?

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