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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15

      emptywheel Retweeted David Corn

      For fuck sake people. Can we stop waggling this word so loosely?https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1018486304349343744 …

      emptywheel added,

      David CornVerified account @DavidCornDC
      Traitor. https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1018475507363352576 …
      80 replies 36 retweets 311 likes
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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15

      emptywheel Retweeted Robert Farley

      For those asking how to refer to Paul, this thread is worthwhile. It actually IS really important to remember that we spy on Russia just like they spy on us.https://twitter.com/drfarls/status/1018477611180331008 …

      emptywheel added,

      Robert FarleyVerified account @drfarls
      There are ways to be grown up about this... Yes, we spy on the Russians. Yes, they spy on us. Yes, the Russians hunt spies. Yes, we hunt theirs. https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1018475507363352576 …
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    3. DCGomez‏ @AllThingsNatSec Jul 15
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Yes we do. But “Spying” and the collection of intelligence, i.e., the stealing of secrets, is not the same as active measures to influence or subvert an election.

      2 replies 1 retweet 17 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
      Replying to @AllThingsNatSec

      You're telling me the US never intervenes in elections? I'll let several generations of Persians know.

      6:39 AM - 15 Jul 2018
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      • Booberry Morning Michelle & Emmett celt... 🌊DSOchoa🇺🇸🌊⚖️🗽 😖 😩Associate Monster Kavanaugh ☠️🎃🧟‍♂️👻 Hunter Thompson Lockwood Andy Jorge
      5 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
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        2. Scudbot‏ @scudworx Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel @AllThingsNatSec

          There it is. We deserve it, so shut up.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @scudworx @AllThingsNatSec

          Where did I tell anyone to shut up? I asked people to stop labeling that observation as treason.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. DCGomez‏ @AllThingsNatSec Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel @scudworx

          Where did I label anything treason?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @AllThingsNatSec @scudworx

          Again, this thread started with me asking people to stop calling Paul's comments treason.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Scudbot‏ @scudworx Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel @AllThingsNatSec

          The "witch hunt" comment removes any doubt about Paul's intent. I don't see how it's legit to treat the statements like they're unrelated. "We all do it" so end the investigation looks like aid and comfort to me.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. DCGomez‏ @AllThingsNatSec Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Don’t put words in my tweets that are not there. I said Spying and interfering/subverting elections are two different things. To equate them is a non sequiter

          1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @AllThingsNatSec

          Sorry. I see why you said what you did. I said what I did bc I linked an entire thread, one which also discussed "Russians trying to mess with our domestic politics." Did not mean to put words in your mouth.

          1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
        4. DCGomez‏ @AllThingsNatSec Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel

          No problem. These days I try only to provide clarity and context. Not to influence the debate.

          1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
        5. Erik Kelley‏ @29lhtran Jul 15
          Replying to @AllThingsNatSec @emptywheel

          Apples are different than oranges. Enlightened?

          0 replies 1 retweet 1 like
        6. End of conversation
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        2. Foxfree Morgan‏ @lipripper22 Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel @AllThingsNatSec

          FFS, Whataboutism is becoming a national epidemic.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @lipripper22 @AllThingsNatSec

          Yes. Talking about how intelligence works like an adult rather than a fucking child is whataboutism.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Foxfree Morgan‏ @lipripper22 Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel @AllThingsNatSec

          Weak defense of your assertion, at best. Defending another country’s hostile policies by pointing out our own historical, but no less reprehensible, use of a similar tactic is the definition of Whataboutism. Framing it as some adult conversation vis-à-vis what it is is a joke.

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        1. Brett Doar‏ @brettdoar Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel @AllThingsNatSec

          Can you point to an instance where the US has hacked a foreign candidate's campaign, and futzed around with voter rolls? I think you are making a false equivalence btw what US has done in terms of soft power vs. acts of war.

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        1. Andy Rose‏ @AndyRose12 Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel @AllThingsNatSec

          Macedonia 2000 was a US influenced election. Posters in skopje, radio stations, etc etc

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