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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15

      emptywheel Retweeted David Corn

      For fuck sake people. Can we stop waggling this word so loosely?https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1018486304349343744 …

      emptywheel added,

      David CornVerified account @DavidCornDC
      Traitor. https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1018475507363352576 …
      80 replies 36 retweets 311 likes
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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15

      emptywheel Retweeted Robert Farley

      For those asking how to refer to Paul, this thread is worthwhile. It actually IS really important to remember that we spy on Russia just like they spy on us.https://twitter.com/drfarls/status/1018477611180331008 …

      emptywheel added,

      Robert FarleyVerified account @drfarls
      There are ways to be grown up about this... Yes, we spy on the Russians. Yes, they spy on us. Yes, the Russians hunt spies. Yes, we hunt theirs. https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1018475507363352576 …
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      6:32 AM - 15 Jul 2018
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      38 replies 33 retweets 109 likes
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        2. DCGomez‏ @AllThingsNatSec Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Yes we do. But “Spying” and the collection of intelligence, i.e., the stealing of secrets, is not the same as active measures to influence or subvert an election.

          2 replies 1 retweet 17 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @AllThingsNatSec

          You're telling me the US never intervenes in elections? I'll let several generations of Persians know.

          5 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
        4. Scudbot‏ @scudworx Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel @AllThingsNatSec

          There it is. We deserve it, so shut up.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @scudworx @AllThingsNatSec

          Where did I tell anyone to shut up? I asked people to stop labeling that observation as treason.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. DCGomez‏ @AllThingsNatSec Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel @scudworx

          Where did I label anything treason?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @AllThingsNatSec @scudworx

          Again, this thread started with me asking people to stop calling Paul's comments treason.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Scudbot‏ @scudworx Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel @AllThingsNatSec

          The "witch hunt" comment removes any doubt about Paul's intent. I don't see how it's legit to treat the statements like they're unrelated. "We all do it" so end the investigation looks like aid and comfort to me.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. End of conversation
        1. New conversation
        2. adam_prizio‏ @adam_prizio Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I hate sports metaphors in politics, but Paul’s argument is kind of like a coach not fielding a defense on the grounds that both teams are trying to score points on one another.

          1 reply 1 retweet 11 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @adam_prizio

          It's better described as someone not fielding an offense. He says he wants to protect elections. Just not investigate the last one.

          1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
        4. adam_prizio‏ @adam_prizio Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Fair. In either case it’s not an argument that smacks of sincerity or good faith, to say nothing of common sense.

          0 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
        5. End of conversation
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        2. Marcee Lundeen‏ @LundeenMarcee Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Spying is one thing, how else did we get detailed info, but active measures to advantage one candidate, perhaps gather kompromat and infiltrate social media is another

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @LundeenMarcee

          I'm not excusing the active measures. But it is absolutely true we engage in same.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Marcee Lundeen‏ @LundeenMarcee Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Perhaps, but not with the same consequences

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @LundeenMarcee

          The consequence being deciding elections? Engaging in regime change? Really?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Marcee Lundeen‏ @LundeenMarcee Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel

          So far any regime change attempts have been disastrous just as it is here. Much grander design that worked, perhaps with help from the inside

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. End of conversation
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        2. Robert California, CEO Dunder Mifflin Sabre‏ @redrobot5050 Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Do any Russian leaders repeat American CIA talking points word for word like Rand Paul just did with the FSB?

          1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @redrobot5050

          Well, Putin claims Navalny does.

          1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
        4. Robert California, CEO Dunder Mifflin Sabre‏ @redrobot5050 Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel

          pic.twitter.com/gqxunXNrIp

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. End of conversation
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        2. Lynn Heraty‏ @HIMuskrat Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Yes, we spy on the Russians too. And if a Russian aided a US spy in any way he'd be a......? Traitor is the correct answer.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 15
          Replying to @HIMuskrat

          Technically he'd be a spy, an asset. But Paul is not doing that, which is why calling him a traitor is dumb.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        4. RJ the Trump Hating Dem (vote blue or we all die)‏ @rjdomos Jul 15
          Replying to @emptywheel @HIMuskrat

          What is he then?pic.twitter.com/89vPjxXRS0

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        5. End of conversation

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