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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      Hmm. You're confused and I'm willing to help if you want. For starters, FISA applications almost always have info from either informants (often working off a crime or getting paid) or--like Steele--intel contractors. Those are assessed by past track record. OK so far?

      2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      Also I was the first person to write on that 4/26/17 opinion. I've tracked those opinions meticulously for 10 years. Virtually everything written about it six months later that people tend to read is hysterically bad writing.

      2 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      Moving on, when I asked about foreign spies, I wasn't asking abt cyber. I was talking about when other countries recruit Americans to betray their countries. Person to person. What should we do about it?

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    4. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

      Assuming the recruit DOES betray their country, that's treason. A rope is called for.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      Sure. But how do we find that out? (Technically, it's only treason if he betrayed the country in wartime, but I'm a stickler there.)

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    6. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

      There is no one size fits all answer to that question. Interviewing the subject or his friends/co-workers, tracing the info back to source, surveillance of different sorts, etc

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      Okay. So if you suspect the guy has used past interviews to alert the adversary, and you've done some work w/friends/co-workers, then you're at surveillance, right? Reasonable?

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    8. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

      I was not aware they thought Page had "alerted" anyone. Before you jump to surveillance of a presidential campaign which is what a FISA on Page provided w the hops, you might have considered warning Trump when he hired him in March or April

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      There are no hops on a FISA content order. And Page wasn't part of the campaign when he was targeted. Moreover, the FBI didn't obtain basic call records on Papadopoulos (for example) until 2017.

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    10. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

      Doesn't a FISA warrant (or any surveillance order) give them the ability to go back as far in time as there are records available? The Papadop angle is a joke. "The Russians have dirt on HRC"....No Kidding. They probably have all her emails from SoS days, too. Decades of dirt

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      It depends. Often, no, they impose limits to the scope of the order. It's unclear whether they did here or not though. The true subject of that 2017 opinion might suggest the problems ALL OTHER people like Page had also affected him, too.

      3:33 PM - 14 Jul 2018
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        1. Susan4AngryBerner‏ @treehugger1605 Jul 20
          Replying to @emptywheel @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

          doesn't each renewed fisa application, require brand new evidence to continue?

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