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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Undercover Huber‏ @JohnWHuber Jul 14

      Mueller's indictment just put two more nails in the coffin of the Steele dossier's credibility: 1. Aleksej Gubarev - supposedly helped hack DNC 👉Not indicted 2. Michael Cohen - supposedly went to Europe to "pay off" hackers 👉Russian intelligence officers need paying off?

      13 replies 294 retweets 491 likes
    2. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @JohnWHuber

      People on the left (@emptywheel) are now spinning that the Russians were aware of Steele's work early on & deliberately fed him misinfo to further embarrass Crooked They choose to ignore that it formed the basis of the Page FISA

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      *I* choose to ignore it? That's outright bullshit. I've written extensively on it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    4. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

      Apologies, if so. I've only read your latest where you theorize the dossier was a Russian Hoax & didn't see your thoughts on the fact is was the cornerstone of FISA warrant & what that means for the fruits of said warrant

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      Before I show you links, would you mind answering a few questions? Have you ever followed how FISAs work before? Are you familiar with\ the role of intelligence contractors in (eg) terrorism cases?

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

      Was aware of FISA court at 30k foot level. Not sure what you mean by intel contractors? The folks the FBI let run loose in the NSA DB as noted by the FISC rpt declass'd 4/2017, or "spies"? Foreign spying in a cyber world is tough to prevent. IMHO, sensitive info s/n/b online

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      Hmm. You're confused and I'm willing to help if you want. For starters, FISA applications almost always have info from either informants (often working off a crime or getting paid) or--like Steele--intel contractors. Those are assessed by past track record. OK so far?

      2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    8. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

      OK. But I would assume the FBI would attempt to independently verify such info. It appears there was, to borrow Ben Rhodes term, an "echo chamber" created from Steele's work. Also understand verification isn't always possible, but the FBI had a working relationship w Page

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      Well, the FBI had interviewed Page in the past and reportedly suspected him of tipping off the Russians subsequently. They also knew that AFTER they interviewed him, he still sought out suspicious Russians. Is that what you mean by "working relationship"?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

      Didn't Page place a bug in some publicly sourced materials he gave some Russians, as well as testify in court? Didn't his work in bringing down that spy ring end just a few months before they decided he was now a threat? You must know more than I do about his story."sought out.."

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      Nah. None of that is true. The FBI considered him an ongoing suspected asset in March 2016, and then saw him join the Trump campaign and talk about making deals w/RU. So what do you do?

      3:23 PM - 14 Jul 2018
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        2. HRC’s Field Sobriety Test‏ @2xwide_dreaming Jul 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

          You send an Agent to Trump Tower at 10:00 am and ask to speak with Carter Page... If he allows, you interview him and express concern. (All done above the table...)

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. John Navarro‏ @john_navarro Jul 14
          Replying to @2xwide_dreaming @emptywheel and

          Because that is how CI works? All done above the table?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. HRC’s Field Sobriety Test‏ @2xwide_dreaming Jul 14
          Replying to @john_navarro @emptywheel and

          No. Apparently you just assume it needs to be a CI Investigation... and piss all over him and a campaign for POTUS! What could go wrong??

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. John Navarro‏ @john_navarro Jul 14
          Replying to @2xwide_dreaming @emptywheel and

          When you see an intel op try to infiltrate a campaign, yes, you open a CI investigation. It would be a dereliction of duty not to. I don't remember the FBI pissing on the Trump campaign in 2016.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. HRC’s Field Sobriety Test‏ @2xwide_dreaming Jul 14
          Replying to @john_navarro @emptywheel and

          That depends on the objective — you act as though spying on US citizens (& military veterans) is the only option... Guess what: It isn’t! If the objective was to minimize Russian influence (in the election, or in general) then decision was, at a min., a colossal failure.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        7. HRC’s Field Sobriety Test‏ @2xwide_dreaming Jul 14
          Replying to @2xwide_dreaming @john_navarro and

          If you need any evidence of that... then consider the fact that you are having this discussion. I don’t care what you think of Carter Page, Donald Trump, Jim Comey, Strzok... or any other name tied to this discussion — the effort was ineffective!

          4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. John Navarro‏ @john_navarro Jul 14
          Replying to @2xwide_dreaming @emptywheel and

          Just to clarify your statements: you are saying the Russians influenced the 2016 election.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
          Replying to @john_navarro @2xwide_dreaming and

          No, the meddled and are still causing chaos but their stupid social media had little to no effect. Even outing @HillaryClinton/NC collusion mattered little. The sins of hers exposed seem to be forgotten in this whole story

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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