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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Undercover Huber‏ @JohnWHuber Jul 14

      Mueller's indictment just put two more nails in the coffin of the Steele dossier's credibility: 1. Aleksej Gubarev - supposedly helped hack DNC 👉Not indicted 2. Michael Cohen - supposedly went to Europe to "pay off" hackers 👉Russian intelligence officers need paying off?

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    2. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @JohnWHuber

      People on the left (@emptywheel) are now spinning that the Russians were aware of Steele's work early on & deliberately fed him misinfo to further embarrass Crooked They choose to ignore that it formed the basis of the Page FISA

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      *I* choose to ignore it? That's outright bullshit. I've written extensively on it.

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    4. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

      Apologies, if so. I've only read your latest where you theorize the dossier was a Russian Hoax & didn't see your thoughts on the fact is was the cornerstone of FISA warrant & what that means for the fruits of said warrant

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      Before I show you links, would you mind answering a few questions? Have you ever followed how FISAs work before? Are you familiar with\ the role of intelligence contractors in (eg) terrorism cases?

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    6. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

      Was aware of FISA court at 30k foot level. Not sure what you mean by intel contractors? The folks the FBI let run loose in the NSA DB as noted by the FISC rpt declass'd 4/2017, or "spies"? Foreign spying in a cyber world is tough to prevent. IMHO, sensitive info s/n/b online

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

      Hmm. You're confused and I'm willing to help if you want. For starters, FISA applications almost always have info from either informants (often working off a crime or getting paid) or--like Steele--intel contractors. Those are assessed by past track record. OK so far?

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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

          Also I was the first person to write on that 4/26/17 opinion. I've tracked those opinions meticulously for 10 years. Virtually everything written about it six months later that people tend to read is hysterically bad writing.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

          Moving on, when I asked about foreign spies, I wasn't asking abt cyber. I was talking about when other countries recruit Americans to betray their countries. Person to person. What should we do about it?

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        4. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

          Assuming the recruit DOES betray their country, that's treason. A rope is called for.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
          Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

          Sure. But how do we find that out? (Technically, it's only treason if he betrayed the country in wartime, but I'm a stickler there.)

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        6. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

          There is no one size fits all answer to that question. Interviewing the subject or his friends/co-workers, tracing the info back to source, surveillance of different sorts, etc

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
          Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

          Okay. So if you suspect the guy has used past interviews to alert the adversary, and you've done some work w/friends/co-workers, then you're at surveillance, right? Reasonable?

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        8. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

          I was not aware they thought Page had "alerted" anyone. Before you jump to surveillance of a presidential campaign which is what a FISA on Page provided w the hops, you might have considered warning Trump when he hired him in March or April

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        9. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
          Replying to @NvrRyan @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

          That has been my problem all along. Out of the chute, they have seemingly treated POTUS with suspicion. When Page was hired in March, there was no Russian conspiracy in the air, other than that being plotted by Podesta as a campaign smear. Trump w/h/b given a defensive briefing

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        2. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

          OK. But I would assume the FBI would attempt to independently verify such info. It appears there was, to borrow Ben Rhodes term, an "echo chamber" created from Steele's work. Also understand verification isn't always possible, but the FBI had a working relationship w Page

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
          Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

          Well, the FBI had interviewed Page in the past and reportedly suspected him of tipping off the Russians subsequently. They also knew that AFTER they interviewed him, he still sought out suspicious Russians. Is that what you mean by "working relationship"?

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. I'm Listening‏ @NvrRyan Jul 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @JohnWHuber

          Didn't Page place a bug in some publicly sourced materials he gave some Russians, as well as testify in court? Didn't his work in bringing down that spy ring end just a few months before they decided he was now a threat? You must know more than I do about his story."sought out.."

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
          Replying to @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

          Nah. None of that is true. The FBI considered him an ongoing suspected asset in March 2016, and then saw him join the Trump campaign and talk about making deals w/RU. So what do you do?

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        6. HRC’s Field Sobriety Test‏ @2xwide_dreaming Jul 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @NvrRyan @JohnWHuber

          You send an Agent to Trump Tower at 10:00 am and ask to speak with Carter Page... If he allows, you interview him and express concern. (All done above the table...)

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        7. John Navarro‏ @john_navarro Jul 14
          Replying to @2xwide_dreaming @emptywheel and

          Because that is how CI works? All done above the table?

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        8. HRC’s Field Sobriety Test‏ @2xwide_dreaming Jul 14
          Replying to @john_navarro @emptywheel and

          No. Apparently you just assume it needs to be a CI Investigation... and piss all over him and a campaign for POTUS! What could go wrong??

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. John Navarro‏ @john_navarro Jul 14
          Replying to @2xwide_dreaming @emptywheel and

          When you see an intel op try to infiltrate a campaign, yes, you open a CI investigation. It would be a dereliction of duty not to. I don't remember the FBI pissing on the Trump campaign in 2016.

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