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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Jeff Stein‏Verified account @SpyTalker Jul 14
      Replying to @robertcaruso @RickPetree

      Yes, they do. Libyan and Somali terror suspects have been tendered to the US to stand trial, no?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Robert Caruso‏Verified account @robertcaruso Jul 14
      Replying to @SpyTalker @RickPetree

      Yes. That’s it’s purpose. Again, the word is toxic now because the practice was perverted under Bush. But rendition is meant to snatch someone and get them back to our custody *to stand trial*. It’s NOT meant to send them to another facility somewhere. Warsame was even Mirandized

      3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Rick Petree‏ @RickPetree Jul 14
      Replying to @robertcaruso @SpyTalker

      If you can cite a single case in which a 'rendered' defendant has been successfully tried in U.S. federal court, I'd be very interested to study it. If you can cite a single instance in which USG has TRIED to do so, only to be slapped down by a judge, I'd also be interested.

      3 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @RickPetree @robertcaruso @SpyTalker

      Ahmed Abu Khattala. There are others. @SeamusHughes can list them for you.

      2 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
    5. Rick Petree‏ @RickPetree Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @robertcaruso and

      Many thanks. I see he was convicted of terrorism related charges (arising out of 2012 Benghazi consulate attack) in U.S. fed ct. in 2017. So that is, indeed, a precedent (and, as you say, there are others).+

      2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @RickPetree @robertcaruso and

      I think the larger issue here is it's an indictment designed not to be prosecuted. While the info comes from a range of sources (people are vastly underestimating how much comes from partners) to prosecute it would put intel at risk.

      3 replies 5 retweets 18 likes
    7. Kevin Snapp‏ @kevin_snapp Jul 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @RickPetree and

      I blv the reason why prosecutors name as defendants foreign conspirators whom they have no hope of prosecuting in court is that w/a prima facie showing of conspiracy, their out-of-court statements can be used against those defendants in court, as an exception to the hearsay rule.

      2 replies 3 retweets 11 likes
    8. Jeff Stein‏Verified account @SpyTalker Jul 14
      Replying to @kevin_snapp @emptywheel and

      Sounds right to me. Also easier to get an obstruction of justice conviction when there is an actual crime, no?

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @SpyTalker @kevin_snapp and

      People really really really need to drop the obsession with obstruction.

      2 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 14
      Replying to @TCleveland4Real @SpyTalker and

      Which is always a good sign it's disinformation.

      2:57 PM - 14 Jul 2018
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        2. Wils 🎃n Dizard‏Verified account @willdizard Jul 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @TCleveland4Real and

          Rendering overseas suspects in cyber attacks gets tricky quickly. Are these indicted Chinese hackers worthy of rendition? They're charged with similar crimes as the Russians.https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-charges-three-chinese-hackers-who-work-internet-security-firm-hacking-three-corporations …

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        3. Robert Caruso‏Verified account @robertcaruso Jul 14
          Replying to @willdizard @emptywheel and

          Quibble: China is not an adversary. Russia is.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Wils 🎃n Dizard‏Verified account @willdizard Jul 14
          Replying to @robertcaruso @emptywheel and

          Nevertheless, rendering the Russian suspects for trial under US law is not going to decrease the political discord the cyberattack intended to sow. It will just be a new incarnation of political crisis, and a source of partisan rancor.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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