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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 10
      Replying to @Cville_TMP @KimZetter

      So, no, you don't know what agreements were made?

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    2. SpaceForceCDR‏ @Cville_TMP Jul 10
      Replying to @emptywheel @KimZetter

      I am 100% sure than no agreement was made that talking to a 'journalist' would result in said journalist becoming a source for law enforcement. Other journalists have gone to jail rather than reveal sources. Your call, your conscience.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 10
      Replying to @Cville_TMP @KimZetter

      Why are you so sure what I brought to the FBI was stuff he told me?

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. SpaceForceCDR‏ @Cville_TMP Jul 10
      Replying to @emptywheel @KimZetter

      Because you said so. "On its face, I broke one of the cardinal rules of journalism, but what he was doing should cause a source to lose protection,” Wheeler told me in a lengthy phone interview.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 10
      Replying to @Cville_TMP @KimZetter

      Which doesn't say what you're claiming it does.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. SpaceForceCDR‏ @Cville_TMP Jul 10
      Replying to @emptywheel @KimZetter

      Breaking the cardinal rule of journalism is the key factor here. Anyone who trusts reporters, or bloggers, or activists pretending to be journalists, to hold confidences are fools when it can be broken cavalierly because of a difference in ideology or politics.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 10
      Replying to @Cville_TMP @KimZetter

      On what basis do you claim I had an ideological difference with this person? At least as far as he told me, we agreed ideologically.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. SpaceForceCDR‏ @Cville_TMP Jul 10
      Replying to @emptywheel @KimZetter

      Don't know what you were thinking, but I have read what you have said. "But what motivated her recent revelation that she went to the FBI has plenty to do with politics: She is disgusted by the way House Republicans are, in her view, weaponizing their oversight responsibilities"

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 10
      Replying to @Cville_TMP @KimZetter

      Yes. Because they make me and others like me less safe only because we reported on damage done to the US. Do you consider support for the US ideological?

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    10. SpaceForceCDR‏ @Cville_TMP Jul 10
      Replying to @emptywheel @KimZetter

      I appreciate that you think you did the right thing, and for whatever reasons you can use to justify betraying a code of ethics you had agreed to follow. Our intelligence agencies recruit traitors every day who think they are doing the right thing as well.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 10
      Replying to @Cville_TMP @KimZetter

      So your take is it is treachery on my part to report on significant damage done to the US?

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        2. SpaceForceCDR‏ @Cville_TMP Jul 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @KimZetter

          Trying not be flippant, but yes, it is treachery, a violation of trust, to violate a fundamental rule of journalism, which is to protect sources, not become a source for law enforcement based on those interactions. "On its face, I broke one of the cardinal rules of journalism"

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 10
          Replying to @Cville_TMP @KimZetter

          Ok. So your ideology is that I should let significant ongoing damage to the US happen even with someone who is doing a bunch of other things that break source/reporting rules? Gotcha. The pro-attack America ideology.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        4. SpaceForceCDR‏ @Cville_TMP Jul 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @KimZetter

          Your opinion is, based on your words, driven by political and ideological differences with the Administration and the majority party in Congress. To betray a trust with that rationale is activism, not journalism.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 10
          Replying to @Cville_TMP @KimZetter

          No. My opinion is based on my judgment--since confirmed AFAIK--that a person with whom I shared ideology was doing significant damage to the US. You find my actions treachery for trying to prevent that damage.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @Cville_TMP @KimZetter

          You are ALSO affirmatively arguing that I and others should face physical and digital risks for trying to prevent damage to the United States.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. SpaceForceCDR‏ @Cville_TMP Jul 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @KimZetter

          Nice attempts at a justification for violating core ethics, but the straw-man argument combined with a specious "two wrongs make a right" justification indicates that activism, not journalism, was the driving force here. I do appreciate that you think you did the right thing.

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        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 10
          Replying to @Cville_TMP @KimZetter

          And do you also appreciate that you're affirmatively defending the House GOP (not Senate ones, significantly) efforts that make me and others less safe?

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        9. SpaceForceCDR‏ @Cville_TMP Jul 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @KimZetter

          The do what journalists do: write about it. Not snitch a source, who trusted you, to the FBI because it furthers an activist narrative. That is where we disagree. I was federal LE for a time, and I appreciate sources, especially motivated ones. But a reporter?

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