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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 8

    emptywheel Retweeted Jennifer Jacobs

    I find myself wondering if John Bolton has cultivated enough trust w/Trump yet to tell him he's being publicly humiliated and that's a very dark way to spend a Sunday morning.https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1015952396219043840 …

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    Jennifer JacobsVerified account @JenniferJJacobs
    Pyongyang MESSED WITH POMPEO: —denied access to Kim Jong Un —kept him in dark about his schedule, accommodations —let media witness snarky power-play exchanges —made him sit through long meals —and one final snub @nwadhams’ inside look from North Korea: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-08/one-night-in-pyongyang-inside-pompeo-s-fraught-north-korea-trip …
    6:38 AM - 8 Jul 2018
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    • Faye #vote Democrate Melissa Mann paula dixon michael alenyikov noellekatai crimecat aprosanders Call-Me-Ed Jenn - hey @jack-still lots more nazis to boot
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      1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 8

        One of the few things Trump cares about is appearing to be respected. If someone close to him can convince him that he's being made a fool of, it might (tho highly unlikely) to elicit reversal.

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      2. MOB-GAL Moe Murph‏ @MamurphyMaureen Jul 8
        Replying to @emptywheel

        It sounds as if Kim was taking lessons from the July 4th Moscow 7's visit to Russia.

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 8
        Replying to @MamurphyMaureen

        Twin visits, yes. Public humiliation, refused visit with the leader, on both sides.

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      2. Rick Petree‏ @RickPetree Jul 8
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Bolton's quietly accumulating 'cred' internally. He doesn't have to say "I told you so" on NK; everyone gets it. Keeping his powder dry for Iran, and not looking to prod any of Trump's sore places. Bolton is, by far, the cagiest and most experienced FP player now in the admin.

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jul 8
        Replying to @RickPetree

        Yup. As I said when he was picked--learned to negotiate bureaucracy from a (perhaps the) master, Cheney.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      4. Rick Petree‏ @RickPetree Jul 8
        Replying to @emptywheel

        And Cheney learned (in Nixon WH) from the undisputed master, Kissinger. Richard Nixon's dead hand still clutches at us.

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      2. R. S. S.‏ @_R_S_S_ Jul 8
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Kim Jong Un already forced Trump to exclude Bolton from the summit so I'd say there's already a lot of humiliation getting dished by DPRK.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. R. S. S.‏ @_R_S_S_ Jul 8
        Replying to @_R_S_S_ @emptywheel

        And DPRK has already mentioned Trump's predecessors at least twice to argue its case with his admin. Someone knows Trump better than he knows himself.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. R. S. S.‏ @_R_S_S_ Jul 8
        Replying to @_R_S_S_ @emptywheel

        It's the first time that I know of a foreign leader trying to use a president's predecessors to argue his case and to directly influence the debate in the White House.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. White House Miscommunication Director‏ @HopeHacks Jul 8
        Replying to @_R_S_S_ @emptywheel

        But surely won’t be the last. Won’t even be the last time this month.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      1. Mark Trued‏ @MTrued Jul 8
        Replying to @emptywheel

        And what does he do in retaliation?

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      1. Bernard HP Gilroy‏ @gilroy0 Jul 8
        Replying to @emptywheel @LOLGOP

        Eh. Trump doesn’t care if /others/ are humiliated. They treated /him/ with (what he mistook for) respect.

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      1. MommaLou‏ @WindaCulbertson Jul 8
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Ouch

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      1. California‏ @CaliforniaCents Jul 9
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Public shaming means something in Asian cultures, NOT so much in western cultures. Soooo the public opinion will vary greatly in different regions.

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      1. Bruv‏ @Bourgy Jul 8
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Idiot, if you were publicly humiliated you wouldn't need someone to tell you. Only a journalist who's never even negotiated a cheaper cable price would think these shenanigans amount to humiliation.

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      1. NCSteve‏ @TCFKA_NCSteve Jul 8
        Replying to @emptywheel

        /9 In some ways, it's like war. Because the normal inhibitions and limits of young people on killing and property destruction are deliberately reduced, the lines on what is and is not okay are drawn much more sharply and punished severely. Because otherwise you get atrocities.

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      1. ToussaintRaffoon‏ @dbuls Jul 8
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I know Bolton wants to bomb everything, but what has he said about Russia. It would comfort me to know he is as tough about Russia and NK.

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