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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Costin Raiu‏Verified account @craiu Jun 23

      Costin Raiu Retweeted Artturi Lehtiö

      Fourth party collection @juanandres_gs -https://twitter.com/lehtior2/status/1010486624734597125?s=21 …

      Costin Raiu added,

      Artturi Lehtiö @lehtior2
      Employees of private US company Mandiant hacked into computers of Chinese military, eventually resulting in APT1 report. The privatized hackback enabled US gov to more vocally criticize Chinese military hacking of US companies since there was now public unclassified reporting. https://twitter.com/ridt/status/1010479475157499909 …
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      4 replies 16 retweets 39 likes
    2. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee Jun 23
      Replying to @craiu @juanandres_gs

      That’s just direct collection. And as folks realize how common it is will raise questions.

      1 reply 2 retweets 10 likes
    3. Costin Raiu‏Verified account @craiu Jun 23
      Replying to @RobertMLee @juanandres_gs

      PLA hacks various US companies. Mandiant hacks PLA. Sanger watched Mandiant hack PLA hack US companies is fourth party collection.

      3 replies 5 retweets 13 likes
    4. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee Jun 23
      Replying to @craiu @juanandres_gs

      Sanger may have observed it but he’s not doing any collecting. Else every person on the ops floor not involved in the mission is fourth party.

      2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    5. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee Jun 23
      Replying to @RobertMLee @craiu @juanandres_gs

      Not trying to be pedantic with you; I’m noting that Mandiant in this case wasn’t doing anything fancy or cool it did something that ought to be illegal.

      5 replies 2 retweets 9 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 23
      Replying to @RobertMLee @craiu @juanandres_gs

      Haven't read the book yet but I'm interested in whether there's tolerance for it bc Mandiant is quasi governmental in the same way we accuse Kaspersky of being.

      1 reply 3 retweets 12 likes
    7. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee Jun 23
      Replying to @emptywheel @craiu @juanandres_gs

      Could be at different levels in govt; I always really liked Mandiant but when this went down I know most of us were not pleased.

      2 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
    8. Robert M. Lee‏Verified account @RobertMLee Jun 23
      Replying to @RobertMLee @emptywheel and

      But to be fair here they are far from the only firm that did and does this

      2 replies 2 retweets 2 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 23
      Replying to @RobertMLee @craiu @juanandres_gs

      No. But how many of the others are also quasi-governmental?

      7:47 AM - 23 Jun 2018
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