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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 14
      Replying to @sfmnemonic @OrinKerr and

      I also kept asking "If Snowden didn't exist would he have to be invented"?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Mike Godwin #EleNão‏Verified account @sfmnemonic Jun 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @OrinKerr and

      I think Jack's paper is particularly perceptive on how the Snowden revelations undercut USG's credibility in promoting freedom and privacy. Unsurprisingly, different parts of the government were working at cross purposes.

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 14
      Replying to @sfmnemonic @OrinKerr and

      True. But if he didn't exist would that make our hypocrisy okay, or just successful?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Mike Godwin #EleNão‏Verified account @sfmnemonic Jun 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @OrinKerr and

      It's not even hypocrisy, in my view. A government isn't a person. Governments as large and complex as ours are inevitably going to engage in self-contradiction. I'm just glad I was able to do some work (primarily for State Department DRL) that I think made a lasting contribution.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 14
      Replying to @sfmnemonic @OrinKerr and

      Jack's word. Actually I do think it's hypocrisy, and US hypocrisy on what constitutes fair online activity continues -- look at the press' blindness about all the info ops we conduct, even using SCL, a subsidiary of which RU may have used v us in 2016.

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    6. Mike Godwin #EleNão‏Verified account @sfmnemonic Jun 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @OrinKerr and

      It bothered me when Jack used that word too. There's an understandable tendency to characterize governments as the same kind of ontological entity that a person is. But I think that's a mistake.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 14
      Replying to @sfmnemonic @OrinKerr and

      You don't think a large number of IC professionals think of our information operations as different than Russia's? Or even our hacking?

      4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Hauntguy  👻‏ @delphi_ote Jun 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @sfmnemonic and

      Dumping hacked intel is a big paradigm shift. That’s not something we should wave off.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 14
      Replying to @delphi_ote @sfmnemonic and

      FBI was managing Sabu when he had a key role in hacking Assad in 2012. Those files were dumped to Wikileaks. And that's not the only case where evidence suggests we have done same. I've single-sourced other instances of it.

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    10. Hauntguy  👻‏ @delphi_ote Jun 14
      Replying to @emptywheel @sfmnemonic and

      You’re claiming Sabu was a US intel asset? Sabu outs himself in IRC is an intel asset?pic.twitter.com/Jjr41IXZ4y

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 14
      Replying to @delphi_ote @sfmnemonic and

      Let's see what I said ... "FBI was managing Sabu when he had a key role in hacking Assad in 2012." Are you disputing that FBI had flipped Sabu?

      7:01 AM - 14 Jun 2018
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        2. Hauntguy  👻‏ @delphi_ote Jun 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @sfmnemonic and

          And then they trusted him with a highly sensitive intel operation. Right.pic.twitter.com/LIVpC9vKlt

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 14
          Replying to @delphi_ote @sfmnemonic and

          I notice that for the second time you chose to respond to me by engaging in stupid word games. Had the FBI flipped Sabu at the time he hacked Assad and leaked those emails to WL, y/n? Or is it your contention the FBI had lost control of their mole?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Hauntguy  👻‏ @delphi_ote Jun 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @sfmnemonic and

          “Word games”? You’re equating this with what FSB has done, not me! If you’re accusing the FBI of directing this document dump, you’d should probably have more evidence than association.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 14
          Replying to @delphi_ote @sfmnemonic and

          No. I'm suggesting that people who claim that what FSB (er, GRU) has done is new and unique to Russia are naive simpletons.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Hauntguy  👻‏ @delphi_ote Jun 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @sfmnemonic and

          9/11 Truthers called me similar names when I debunked their arguments, too.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 14
          Replying to @delphi_ote @sfmnemonic and

          Great. When you "debunk" my claim that at a time when FBI was "managing" Sabu, he hacked and leaked documents, let me know. All you've done here is prove your facility at finding off-point GIFs, which is rather unimpressive even as far as GIF work goes, TBH.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Hauntguy  👻‏ @delphi_ote Jun 14
          Replying to @emptywheel @sfmnemonic and

          Sabu hacked and Sabu leaked? Now one guy is all of Anonymous.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 14
          Replying to @delphi_ote @sfmnemonic and

          Golly. You appear to be unfamiliar with the public records here. Perhaps study up, and then come back waggle your amazing GIF work for me to laugh at when you've done so?

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