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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 13

      A lot of normally smart people seem to be missing this: Trump pardoning Cohen would be the stupidest possible thing Trump could do. That's bc: 1) Up until seating of jury in federal trial, Cohen's presumed charges could be refiled in NYS, where Trump couldn't pardon.

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 13

      2) If Trump pardons Cohen then he can be forced to testify against Trump. So if you're arguing that today's reports are signaling to Trump, it's more likely a request for help paying lawyers, not a pardon.

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    3. Eric Columbus‏Verified account @EricColumbus Jun 13
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Cohen can’t be forced to testify to the extent that he could incriminate himself regarding possible *state* charges.

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    4. Jed Shugerman Vote 11/6‏ @jedshug Jun 13
      Replying to @EricColumbus @emptywheel

      Murphy (SCOTUS 1964): "We hold that the constitutional privilege against self-incrimination protects a state witness against incrimination under federal as well as state law and a federal witness against incrimination under state as well as federal law."https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/new-york-should-amend-its-double-jeopardy-law-to-make-sure-trump-cant-bail-out-michael-cohen.html …

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    5. Hippie Baker 😋Vote & Swingleft 11/6‏ @60andmoonwalkin Jun 13
      Replying to @jedshug @EricColumbus @emptywheel

      @JeffreyToobin just said on @TheLeadCNN quote "A pardon wouldn't affect state case bit of mythology bout chances of State pros in any cases.State AGs don't esp in NY do many crime cases no resources,exp, don't have underlying laws so need to recognize this case gonna be resolved

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 13
      Replying to @60andmoonwalkin @jedshug and

      Eh. Not sure I agree with that. Don't even think Trump does.

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    7. Hippie Baker 😋Vote & Swingleft 11/6‏ @60andmoonwalkin Jun 13
      Replying to @emptywheel @jedshug and

      Thank you. I also checked in w/ Jed. It kind of boiled down in TV English what most of us need to know. And it was unfortunate answer imho hence the question

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    8. Jed Shugerman Vote 11/6‏ @jedshug Jun 13
      Replying to @60andmoonwalkin @emptywheel and

      @emptywheel, which part do you disagree with?

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 13
      Replying to @jedshug @60andmoonwalkin and

      The notion that NYS does not have the resources or legal framework and therefore would not go after Cohen for taxi medallion stuff they just got Evgeny Friedman to plead to seems fanciful at best.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 13
      Replying to @emptywheel @jedshug and

      And THAT they got Friedman to plead suggests they'd be happy to go after Cohen for more.

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        2. Eric Columbus‏Verified account @EricColumbus Jun 13
          Replying to @emptywheel @jedshug and

          We don’t know what Cohen has on Trump, and to what extent it’s embarrassing, despicable, relevant to Trump violating federal law or violating state law. The value to Trump of pardoning Cohen would turn on those answers. But I doubt he’ll do it — Cohen is too hot to pardon now.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 13
          Replying to @EricColumbus @jedshug and

          Given Rudy and others' repeated concerns about Cohen flipping on Trump, I think we can be sure it's embarrassing, despicable, and relevant to Trump violating federal law. Given his repeated claims that Mueller rather than SDNY is going after Cohen suggests it's RU related.

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        4. Jed Shugerman Vote 11/6‏ @jedshug Jun 13
          Replying to @emptywheel @EricColumbus and

          +1. And I have no idea who thinks NY state prosecutors don't have the resources. The problem before was political will and corruption (ahem, Cyrus Vance Jr.). But Manhattan prosecutors under Vance wanted to go after Ivanka and Jr. before. They are super-ready now.

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        5. KeyserSozeBro‏ @KeyserSozeBro1 Jun 13
          Replying to @jedshug @emptywheel and

          Is it likely that SDNY will hold Cohen’s charges in wait, go straight to others that this evidence burns? There’s very possibly garden variety of financial crimes which Ivanka, Jr & others could face. It does seem like the optimization here is NYS takes on Trump family members.

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 13
          Replying to @KeyserSozeBro1 @jedshug and

          Cohen seems to have confidence they want him to flip. We shall see.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        7. Jed Shugerman Vote 11/6‏ @jedshug Jun 13
          Replying to @emptywheel @KeyserSozeBro1 and

          One dynamic that hasn’t been discussed: maybe Cohen has indicated willingness to cooperate, but because SDNY hasn’t seen the documents from search, they don’t want to offer a deal yet. Why offer deal to prove X if documents prove X? Demand Cohen give up X, Y, and Z for any deal.

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        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 13
          Replying to @jedshug @KeyserSozeBro1 and

          Yes, thought that myself.

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