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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I'm so sorry you think there's any logic in white supremacy.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
      Replying to @aschleigh

      Point out where I said that? These people are going to engage in increasingly violent attacks as their lives don't get better like Trump promised. That violence will either by v PoC or Trump.

      3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
      Replying to @emptywheel

      " focus on explaining " implies using logic or reason , I think .

      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
      Replying to @aschleigh

      Fair point. Would you be happier if I said we need to start scapegoating Trump for what is coming? I don’t like that either bc it suggest he doesn’t deserve it.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I don't think anything works with Trump voters, low/no understanding voters. We build a coalition of the rest of us , the 75% of society who didn't vote for him .

      5 replies 3 retweets 9 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
      Replying to @aschleigh

      I think there is a margin of Trump voters--certainly the Obama to Trump voters--that can be moved. If we don't move them the Trump faction will make US unlivable.

      7 replies 4 retweets 17 likes
    7. anxiousfluxion‏ @anxiousfluxion Jun 9
      Replying to @emptywheel @aschleigh

      Agree w/necessity of persuading them,flummoxed as to how to go about it.Look at studies of ex-cultists?Similar psychology at play possibly?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
      Replying to @anxiousfluxion @emptywheel

      Look at Nazis and confederates

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 10
      Replying to @aschleigh @anxiousfluxion

      A lot of people who enabled the Nazis did what they did out of a sense of order and tribalism. And their recuperation were key to laying the groundwork to today's Germany.

      1 reply 2 retweets 4 likes
    10. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 10
      Replying to @emptywheel @anxiousfluxion

      A lot died. It was a war , that lost tons of German people , those enablers were white supremacists . I understand that . I wish Americans did.

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 10
      Replying to @aschleigh @anxiousfluxion

      Yup. And unless we find an alternative--and a majority wasn't enough in Germany and won't be enough here--then there will be again, but with a more powerful state.

      5:04 AM - 10 Jun 2018
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        2. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @anxiousfluxion

          The powerful state in our case is the union or the allies . Trump is temporary. The minority is the confederates or nazis. We by far out number the active white supremacists.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 10
          Replying to @aschleigh @anxiousfluxion

          Not sure what you mean by "the powerful state." Or "the allies." The allies include people like David Frum, who played a key role in a war crime & as such paved the way for Trump. Holding people like him accountable is as much a part of defeating Trump as discrediting racists.

          1 reply 2 retweets 3 likes
        4. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @anxiousfluxion

          I don't see David frum as an outright white supremacist. Republicans of any decency, they didn't vote Trump, can be allies in defeating in Trump . That's the priority to me , ending Trump and his whole ilk.

          2 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 10
          Replying to @aschleigh @anxiousfluxion

          OK. And yet Frum had a hand in killing more people of color than Trump has come close to yet. And the Iraqi disaster and its aftermath is a key reason (especially in Europe) why the Trump-Putin alternative has held sway, against all reason.

          2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 10
          Replying to @emptywheel @aschleigh @anxiousfluxion

          I'm not say Frum shouldn't be welcome to work to defeat Trump. I'm using him as an example of truly heinous people you're willing not even to forgive, but to just ignore the past sins of.

          0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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