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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9

      Those opposing Trump (including me) need to focus on explaining why his "policies" are hurting other Americans, not making fun of him as a shithole.

      95 replies 199 retweets 893 likes
    2. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I'm so sorry you think there's any logic in white supremacy.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
      Replying to @aschleigh

      Point out where I said that? These people are going to engage in increasingly violent attacks as their lives don't get better like Trump promised. That violence will either by v PoC or Trump.

      3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    4. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
      Replying to @emptywheel

      " focus on explaining " implies using logic or reason , I think .

      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
      Replying to @aschleigh

      Fair point. Would you be happier if I said we need to start scapegoating Trump for what is coming? I don’t like that either bc it suggest he doesn’t deserve it.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I don't think anything works with Trump voters, low/no understanding voters. We build a coalition of the rest of us , the 75% of society who didn't vote for him .

      5 replies 3 retweets 9 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
      Replying to @aschleigh

      I think there is a margin of Trump voters--certainly the Obama to Trump voters--that can be moved. If we don't move them the Trump faction will make US unlivable.

      7 replies 4 retweets 17 likes
    8. jeff‏ @jeffreybell1990 Jun 9
      Replying to @emptywheel @aschleigh

      I’m one of those. Do you want to know why I voted for Trump?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
      Replying to @jeffreybell1990 @aschleigh

      Sure

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. jeff‏ @jeffreybell1990 Jun 9
      Replying to @emptywheel @aschleigh

      His last name wasn’t Bush or Clinton and he’s not a politician or a lawyer. Didn’t really like him but over time it feels like he’s talking to me instead of at me which is a nice change

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
      Replying to @jeffreybell1990 @aschleigh

      Do you feel like he's lying to you? Do you care?

      7:18 PM - 9 Jun 2018
      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
          Replying to @emptywheel @jeffreybell1990

          I can't. I just end up crying for a country i thought had a chance for 8 years.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. jeff‏ @jeffreybell1990 Jun 9
          Replying to @aschleigh @emptywheel

          Honest question- why did you think we had a chance while Obama was in office for 8 years? I think he was as authoritarian as it gets and I voted for him (not a regret-learning experience)

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
          Replying to @jeffreybell1990 @emptywheel

          Obama is deeply symbolic as the end of white only rule . He's the first feminist president. He's the first internationalist. He's the first pres to not center white supremacy in everything, for instance he saw through isreal. Etc . He had vision.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. jeff‏ @jeffreybell1990 Jun 9
          Replying to @aschleigh @emptywheel

          I respect your opinions and I think there is very little we will agree on. Obama hurt me with the spying on Germany and domestic journalists then lost me on the Iran deal. The IRS tea party stuff was pretty screwed up too and I’m not a fan of those guys

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. IBrake ForAnts‏ @ibrake4ants Jun 9
          Replying to @jeffreybell1990 @aschleigh @emptywheel

          The irs tea party thing you're referring to is a false conspiracy theory

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. jeff‏ @jeffreybell1990 Jun 9
          Replying to @ibrake4ants @aschleigh @emptywheel

          Not a conspiracy theory. I thought it was at first but was proven wrong once I did my own research of Congressional testimony. I wish it was a conspiracy theory just like I wish the spying on AP journalists was too

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. End of conversation
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        2. jeff‏ @jeffreybell1990 Jun 9
          Replying to @emptywheel @aschleigh

          Can you give me examples of his lies? I’ll give you examples of what I don’t like about him-I think he picks and chooses what civil liberties he cares about while I care about all of them. I’m 100% against the death penalty and he proposed it for nonviolent crimes(drug dealers)

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Troll McTrollski‏ @TrollMcTrollski Jun 9
          Replying to @jeffreybell1990 @emptywheel @aschleigh

          If I point you to whichever newspaper keeps track of his “untrue statements”, which is what, 3000 items long by now - let me guess, you’re going to say “fake news”, “media hates him” - ?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. jeff‏ @jeffreybell1990 Jun 9
          Replying to @TrollMcTrollski @emptywheel @aschleigh

          I think of a lie as deliberate intent to deceive. I don’t think exaggerations and opinions are lies. Saying he lies 10 times a day on the record makes me want to defend him cause there’s no way that’s accurate

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. jeff‏ @jeffreybell1990 Jun 9
          Replying to @jeffreybell1990 @TrollMcTrollski and

          Tell me why I should be against him, specifically. Don’t link to any media articles cause I don’t trust any of them including FOX

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. jeff‏ @jeffreybell1990 Jun 9
          Replying to @emptywheel @aschleigh

          I feel like he exaggerates a lot. I don’t really feel like he’s lying to me when he does that

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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